Exhibit A for the argument on why some people should not be allowed to procreate.
Excuse me? In Germany that kid would straight up be arrested.
Would he though? I guess this is up to whether one would consider “god hates jews” to be inciting hate or violence (§130 stgb) against jews. It might even depend on where this happens, in some very religious place it might incite people far more than somewhere more secular, as there’s absolutely no meaning to someone saying “god hates x” if you don’t believe in a god in the first place. So I think it’s debatable.
The “jews stole the land” sign in the background might be worse, though, the kid holding that (or more likely the parent that allowed them to hold it) would most likely be breaking the law.
WBC are an open hate group. They aim to maximise their antagonism by doing things like picketing funerals with their dopey signs.
I mean yea wbc wouldn’t fly here but that’s besides the point of whether that particular sign would be allowed? If the fucking afd is still allowed I have a hard time believing that sign would be a major issue. We have relatively strong anti hatespeech laws but they still have some requirements.
You framed it through inciting hate, so I figured it’d be relevant that’s basically all WBC exist to do.
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I accept that both Germany and the US have freedom of speech. The difference is that Germany will crack down on hate speech which is what this is. If allowed to remain just because you want to uphold free speech absolutism, then hate speech goes unchallenged and so it spreads, allowing more hate speech.
Yeah but who gets to draw that line though? I agree that this kind of speech is harmful, but if we leave it to the dipshits in Congress to decide what is and isn’t hate speech that kind of shit will be allowed and any speech against the oligarchy will be considered hate speech. I draw the line as a citizen by not giving them my time, but I feel like if you going the government the power to arrest folks over speech alone things will get real bad real fast.
Yeah but who gets to draw that line though?
A law that delineates what hate speech is and its consequences, limiting it to speech against sex, gender, orientation, race, ethnicity, faith and disability. Like sane countries do.
That’s all perfectly reasonable, I just don’t trust American lawmakers to do that. Then again, I don’t trust them to pass a budget or let the government stay open or fulfill other basic functions of their job, so……
In principle we are in agreement for sure. I guess we shouldn’t base potential policy based on the incompetence of our lawmakers, but ignoring their incompetence has risks of its own
I hate being an American. If I could pack my family up and leave for a better country I would.
Totally get what you mean. It might be easier for these protections to exist on the local or state level, but of course it’ll vary dramatically state to state.
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“Some bad” as you say also includes Nazi marches and anti-vaccine protests. I just don’t think the bad is worth this stance. These aren’t mere annoyances, they are escalations from mere discontent to actual harmful rhetoric. Far too much in the US, Democrat Vs Republican bloodsports takes over from making people’s lives better. Instead every issue is a political battleground and nothing gets done.
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Nobody’s paying attention until one of the Nazi losers runs over a counter protestor.
I’m not saying the information around the vaccines was well-communicated nor was it without problems. These are issues that should be discussed with a licensed medical professional and not treated like a political issue which it was.
The danger I referred to with anti-vaxxers wasn’t to do with COVID, it was the rampant spread of diseases in Hawaii which we’ve long had control over all because anti-vaxxers wanted to be proven correct and they sacrificed other people’s lives in that pursuit. They used their free speech to cause harm and death. In any sane country, they’d be on trial for manslaughter.
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You should look into the paradox of tolerance.
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
The paradox disappears when you stop considering tolerance to be a moral stance, and recognize it as a social contract.
Those who break the contractual agreements are not protected by contract’s provisions.
If nobody takes them seriously, why are they a problem?
If nobody takes them seriously, why are they a problem?
Because even when you don’t take them seriously it’s not enjoyable to have them show up with signs like this at funerals for gay people, etc.
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I would very much like it if some of that was restricted. I don’t think white supremacists or Christian Nationalists or nazis or any other group like that should have a voice or even be allowed to exist. 80 years ago we killed nazis and we should do it again.
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It’s enough to have a rainbow book in a library in the land of the free
That’s a dangerous precedent, because it assumes that the people that hold power will largely agree with your views.
Westboro Baptist’s business model is to provoke violence with their outrageous and insulting behaviors and then sue for profit.
Exactly, they arnt a religion they are a group of lawyers who came up with the great idea to incite violence against themselves for profit.
…so, do they hate Jesus too?
You know they would crucify the shit out of JC
This is the plot of a South Park episode.
All hail to mein Führer, Mel Gibson!
What is this, moral orel? The actual fuck.
That shit is fuckin wild
Proof that brainworms can be sexually transmitted
poor kid doesn’t even know what he’s protesting
