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When she is done in Paris can she pleeeeaaase come to Berlin?
Or do the same stuff on an EU-wide level? I bet there are a lot of other cities that could use her kind of changes.
Problem is, that cities are politically gerry-mandered into entitities with SFH developed areas and countrysides. That’s why we don’t see urbanism as the powerful political force that it could and should be.
Don’t the SUVs in Berlin get stolen within a couple of days anyway?
Edit: my brother who lives in Berlin got himself an SUV (Kia Sportage) and whenever he found a parking spot near his home, he’d leave it there for weeks because he was so happy to park near home. His car got stolen. Now he takes the U-Bahn to work and he’s actually happier than before. He got his money back for the stolen car, so there’s that.
Well send her with great pleasure, wherever you want and don’t feel as you need to ship her back. Just ensure that for once she pushes for policies that aren’t just intended to punish the people who live outside of her city while she maintains the status quo for her people and lets them do whatever they want.
“The move will not apply to Paris residents’ parking.” 🤡
As usual. I work in Paris but decided to move way out of the city. Technically still Paris metro but it’s plain countryside, small villages, forest and all. Most people here drive regular cars. Farmers and people who work in the forest or manual jobs now tend to use Asian style pick-ups. But when I exit the subway on the days I’m at the office, I’m suddenly surrounded by people who live in Paris and barely exit it (the surburbs, can you imagine the infamy and the poverty?) who drive massive Land Rovers which have never ever seen mud since they were built. They just want to ensure that people from the suburb don’t go inside the city limits, and if they do that it’ll only those with pockets full of cash.
As usual, Hidalgo is full of shit.
Good for them, fuck large cars. They are child killers.
Hey, hey! That’s an unfair take. They also kill adults, seniors in particular.
Yeah but the public doesn’t pearl clutch like they do when they “think of the children”.
No, it’s because they are particularly dangerous to children.
No, it’s because they are particularly dangerous to children.
If you peruse statistics of pedestrian deaths, you will find both children and seniors are the most frequent victims. Look it up.
I think the point might be that SUVs due to their height have worse blind spots e.g. in front of the hood, which would probably impact children more.
So this particular characteristic would endanger children more than adults and seniors who are taller.
Great. Extend the measure to all of the EU.
This is smart
Yes, they are U Huge, usually occupies a lot more space, weigh more, are worse for the environment, the roads, pretty much everything and are a sigh how wasteful and oblivious of its impact the humanity became
Misleading headline.
It also applies to electric vehicles over 2000kg, which is pretty much most of them.
London’s ULEZ scheme is better than this.
While it’s true that this is not only about cutting air pollution, there are many EVs that under 2000kg
They will just park in smaller parking spots.
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NO U
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They allowed the US SUV and pickup fashion to swap over to Europe (20 years ago there was little to none of those on European roads) so that when people are buying them, they get punished for doing so!? My point is, why the majority is acting like it is only the ordinary people’s fault?
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In that case you pay much higher taxes already …at least in my country
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A lot higher, double, triple or ever more. Depends on the CO2 emissions of the particular vehicle so bigger engine, more power, more weight, less aerodynamics, higher consumption means higher taxes. This is of course for combustion vehicles …don’t know about the EVs, never owned one
“If you buy a more expensive car …”
Oh and by the way, the vehicles price has nothing to do with emissions and so on.
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I’m from Romania but I actually have business in Germany so I’m resident in both countries. It’s pretty much the same for both, just a bit lower for RO. For example a 1.2L vehicle with about 80hp is something like ~90€ but a 2L vehicle with 300hp will be ~250€ and a 4L vehicle with 600hp will cost ~620€ so it’s ramping up a lot.
Of course you are right, an SUV is usually more expensive. I don’t care to much about SUVs because I don’t like them, I don’t like the looks.
In Germany, you pay your taxes per 100 cc of displacement and emisssions. It has always been that way, but it changes very little in your overall cost calculation. I drive an older VW Golf with a 1.4 petrol engine. That costs 94 € per year in taxes. Considering insurance, running costs and purchase of the vehicle, that’s almost nothing.
What I mean is: Having a big engine isn’t a lot more expensive over here. The tax laws are not based on fuel economy or vehicle weight or size. I could have a car with a 3 Liter engine that weighs twice as much as my Golf, and I wouldn’t care if I wanted that fabulous SUV experience.
why the majority is acting like it is the ordinary people’s fault?
Because it is. The market produces what consumers buy.
If nobody buys SUVs, nobody produces SUVs. It’s 100% on the consumer in the EU, there’s enough other cars available.
Partly correct …market produces what consumers buy but here was no such things like SUVs and pickups so they needed to introduce them so ppl can buy. It’s basically marketing 1st. Marketing has a huge influence
They didn’t need to introduce them, they saw the opportunity to do so. Besides, there’s always been the possibility to buy a utilitarian pick up truck but they’re work vehicles.
It’s just supply and demand. Someone offers SUVs and Trucks, people buy them all, other companies offer more of the same. So of course, everyone who wanted to buy one made the concious decision to do so. The consumers are, in fact, responsible for their actions.
Guess why there are so few station wagons in the US now, as opposed to the 1980s. People wanted bigger cars and the market phased out the more sensible, but less desired option.
There is no fault. No punishment. Just choices. And other people’s choices.
Of course that was meant figuratively, I thought that was clear
Obviously.
Your choice of metaphors however clearly implies you see yourself as a victim, or at the very least a wronged party. I wanted to forcefully push back against that framing.
No I don’t see myself as a victim. Never owned an SUV and most likely never will because I don’t like them and also I don’t live in France so it’s pointless however.
I wanted to forcefully push back against that framing
By doing so you do demonstrate that you allowed yourself to be instrumentalized. Maybe one day you guys will understand but of course that’s up to you.
Word salad says what?
Nothing my friend …give everything you earn (if you do) to the govt. Have a good life without cars and flights. All is up to you, life is short.
give everything you earn (if you do) to the govt
First of all, we’re talking about parking fees in Paris. They are very very high, but not quite that expensive.
Second, you need to have some cash left over for the Illuminati, the NWO and the world economic forum man.
