Me, who’s already been here for a few weeks, trying to just load a post or make a comment right now with the influx of traffic:
So true!
Use a non Lemmy.world account and you’ll have more success
how does that work
So each lemmy site is an instance with its own servers. Even though they all connect to one another, they run on their on load and data. So you’re on lemmy.world, which is being very overloaded with the influx of reddit folks. I’m on lem.ee which is buttery smooth, yet still able to see posts and comments from world, since it’s all federated
You just make an account on a smaller instance (easiest way to find them is at the bottom of the page here), and subscribe to all the communities you want from lemmy.world and others to start pulling them in.
Then proceed to shitpost as normal.
EDIT: Alternatively, go here, switch the “Software” option to Lemmy at the top, and look for a server geographically close to you.
EDIT: Alternatively, go here, switch the “Software” option to Lemmy at the top, and look for a server geographically close to you.
Oh, great tip! Thanks! It’s interesting to see which servers are hosted in my state.
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oh man, this is kinda weird…
Go to literally any other instance and create an account there
For a bit more context on what others have already said, Lemmy is more decentralized, akin to email. Lemmy.world is the biggest website for Lemmy, in the same way Gmail is for email, but like email, there are tons of smaller or even personal sites that can all network together. If one site goes down, only content on that site and its users are affected, others are not.
How does that work?n
Image Transcription: Meme
[‘Let me in’ - a two panel image of a man in a suit standing outside a closed metal gate, and shaking it vigorously in the second panel with his head tilted back and his mouth open screaming. The second panel also has small amount of motion blur. There is text at the bottom of both images.]
LEMMY IN.
LEMMY IIIIIIIN!
^I’m a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
I appreciate the work you’re doing to aid in accessibility. I’m not sure using “unkempt hair” is quite right. I would have thought this is natural afro hair. I don’t think the hair description adds to the transcription so is probably better to remove.
It’s an unkempt afro
From a young age, black kids are told their natural hair is unkempt, and often by white teachers. The view of what is neat hair, and isn’t neat hair is very subjective. This constant unconscious, and sometimes conscious bias is not helpful. It’s often used as disguised form of discrimination.
I’m not saying this is the case with the original poster and think it was a genuine mistake, but it’s something we probably need to move away from.
Eric Andre says he finds brushing his hair is too time consuming, when asked about it by Larry King. https://youtu.be/7XR4Ml8FijM (11:45)
This question by Larry to Eric about his hair is mentioned in Eric’s interview with Talib Kweli. https://youtu.be/irzhJ4mLMF0 (28:36)
If you’re an Eric Andre fan, these are both must-watch interviews.
Yeah, if you don’t comb (not really brush as a brush wouldn’t detangle) afro-textured hair of that length, it will clump up like that. And afro-textured hair isn’t meant to be combed or brushed daily. The less it’s manipulated the healthier it is as frequent manipulation can cause breakage. That’s why you’ll see some people with afro-textured hair keep their hair in braids or twists or locs if they want to look more what is considered “presentable” while also protecting their hair from breakage. These are called protective styles. Braiding and twisting takes time though that Eric Andre probably doesn’t want to spend and locs are kinda permanent. If his hairstlye works best for his lifestyle, I think that’s good. It’s better for people to see the different ways afro-textured hair can exist in its natural state because I think such exposure without ridicule can lead to further acceptance.
Edit: Thank you for sharing those interview links!
If the character was darker-skinned, I would’ve used textured hair, 100%. (Edit: I think I got confused by the lighting in this scend, I thought he had lighter brown hair and lighter skin. In the other interviews, it’s clear it’s naturally textured hair.) Given what I could tell from the character, I wasn’t sure if it was non-textured or curly hair made intentionally messy for the sake of the skit, curly hair blowing in the wind with poor image quality, or the person’s natural hair type. Especially given the fact that he was trying to get into somewhere that seemed closed, my guess from context clues was that he might not have had time to brush his hair.
I’m not sure which side is correct, or if it’s appropriate to use “afro-textured hair” on a person who’s natural hair type may or may not be textured. So for the sake of simplicity, I just removed that part of the transcription.
Didn’t mean any harm with it, sorry for the confusion! Personally I’ve always found textured hair a both fascinating and gorgeous with what it can do, so had I known, I wouldn’t have put it. (I was also writing it while on hold with the doctor’s office, evidenced by how I wrote “engaged” instead of “Engadget” in another transcription haha. So it was also rushed.)
Hey. I absolutely don’t believe there was anything intended by this, and was likely an innocent mistake. I just spotted it and thought it was worth raising.
I reiterate again that what you’re doing in terms of accessibility is epic, so keep up the great work!
Thank you for being open to feedback.
I really appreciate you raising the concern! I didn’t realize he had naturally textured hair the first time, since my hair isn’t textured (but likes to stand up on its own sometimes anyway haha) it’s not something that crossed my mind. I’m glad someone said something so I could correct it.
That said, now that I know, I’ll keep it in mind in future transcribing work, too!
I just spotted it and thought it was worth raising.
Thank you for raising it. Little by little we can remove conscious & unconscious biases against Black natural hair textures.
100% agree. I appreciate it being addressed. Was never my intention to put down black and textured hair, and I’m glad someone called it out so I could correct it.
Bruh. It’s a skit. Eric intentionally made his hair messy as part of the “unhinged” character
No, no, they’re right. I mistook a black actor with textured hair for a lighter skinned actor who’s hair was made to stand up as an intentional part of the scene. It’s easier to tell the racial aspect I overlooked in some of the other sources people gave.
Maybe he changed it a bit for the scene, maybe he didn’t, but regardless, wasn’t my best call to word it like that. This one’s on me.
I have no idea. I don’t know what it is. The point I made is still valid though. I don’t think it adds anything, and it does have concerning implications.
Edit: Additional context:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/25/black-pupils-excluded-hair-discrimination-equality-act https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/63399563
Bro that’s bed head I don’t care what your hair texture is, he looks like the “Aliens” meme guy intentionally so that he comes across as crazier. Plus the transcription doesn’t even mention race, so what’s the blind user of this program going to attach to the concept of unkempt hair?
so that he comes across as crazier
Are you sure this is the reason? Did he state his reason that way? Or is that your assumption that he wants to look crazier? In a post above @[email protected] said his reason was because brushing it takes too much time according to interviews. I haven’t seen it myself since there’s no timestamp, but I’ll check it out later.
so what’s the blind user of this program going to attach to the concept of unkempt hair?
The problem isn’t with blind users, but sighted users who could read that and associate afro-textured hair like that with being unkempt.
Edit: Found the timestamp in the Eric Andre interview with Larry King about his hair. Here he doesn’t say he wants to look crazier. He says that’s what his hair looks like when he doesn’t brush it. And as I mentioned in another comment, afro-textured hair isn’t meant to be either combed or brushed every day because that can cause breakage.
The point is valid in general, sure. But when a black ACTOR deliberately makes his hair messy as part of a character, describing that character as presented is not wrong, not racist, and not problematic. It’s not a real person trying to live their life and being mistreated due to their hair.
It’s a person deliberately presenting themselves that way. Context matters. Making an issue out of things by taking them out of context isn’t helping anyone.
To be safe, I removed the hair description altogether. Initially added it because I thought it might’ve been part of the character’s appearance in the skit. Given the rest of the character’s appearance, I wasn’t sure if it was textured hair or just curly/frizzy hair blowing in the wind with poor image quality, and whether it was an intentional choice for the source material or just his natural hair type.
You’re great for transcribing! To avoid the word unkempt, as that can be offensive, I would transcribe the hair as ‘clumpy afro-textured hair’.
I thought it was messy or blowing in the wind tbh, since he didn’t look like a kind of person who would have textured hair. Looking further into it, I think I was fooled by the scene’s lighting.
I see you edited the transcription, leaving out the hair description. That’s just fine too the way you have it now. Thank you. 🙂
Yeah, honestly my mistaken assumption that he was white combined with poor image quality lead me to think the hair was just a bit messy (mine does that in the mornings when I wake up), and that it was part of the scene in some way. I didn’t want to leave out something that might be contextually relevant.
Checking out one of the other sources on the actor, the moment I saw him, I realized my mistake. Definitely his natural hair, and in normal lighting it looks a lot more intentional. His hair type isn’t relevant if it isn’t intentionally part of the scene, and that very clearly wasn’t. So it’s best to take it out.
If I’m being honest, I was a little iffy on whether or not to include it in the first place, but I was tired and fed up with Lemmy not loading properly so I just slapped it in and went for it without double checking. Looking back, probably not my brightest move. I’ll be more careful about that sort of thing moving forward.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s hard to work when tired and I totally understand wanting to include the hair description if you thought it could be contextually relevant, and since you found out it’s not, taking it out is the right choice. I’m not at all experienced in transcription for the blind so when I made my suggestion of clumpy afro-textured hair, at first I thought the point of the transcription was to be as detailed as possible while also being brief, so I thought the hair description had to stay in in some form. But now I see only contextually relevant info is needed. Good to know. We’ve both learned something in this, yeah? Thanks again for the work you do and being open to suggestions. You’re awesome! 🙂
I see. It’s an understandable assumption to make. That’s his natural hair texture. You may see this video he talks about his hair. The thing about afro-textured hair is it can stand up and out on it’s own. No wind needed, lol (and I say this as a person with this kind of hair texture).
Yep! I guess with the image quality, I kind of assumed it was a bit like my hair was this morning (which also stood up on its own, and speaking as a person with wavy non-textured hair, was undeniably unkempt haha)
Looking in the other videos, it’s clear what I overlooked, and you’re definitely right that it’s a totally different situation. Mine looks like a total mess when it does that, because it isn’t supposed to. Textured hair naturally does that, and as a result, looks good doing it.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I wouldn’t have even noticed otherwise. My brain just saw fluffy hair and thought he must be in the wind. My brain is not very smart sometimes.
Thank you for doing this, I have good vision, but at the time I found this post the image was missing, so your transcription was the only way of getting the context of the conversion
I’m in this picture and I’m actually ok with it.
Me too
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Me, who didn’t join one of the huge instances, instead hosting his own instance: “Why is everyone complaining? Lol.”
This is the 3rd time I’ve seen someone mention they run their own instance. The other two specifically mentioned how it was for just them, and I’m wondering what the benefit is going that extra mile for just yourself. Is it worth it? Or is it simply a case of “because I fucking can?” 🤔
You don’t need to worry about being defederated unless the instance is whitelist only (or you’re an ass).
Does the instance itself hold a record or database of content posted, too? Like, could a personal instance be used to archive your own posts and comments, even if made on another instance through your personal one’s account? That right there would be motivation to play with it for me. Well, that and the “because I can” thing.
As long as a user on your instance is subscribed to all the communities you comment on they should federate as far as I understand. Ask someone more knowledgeable before spinning one up though.
I run an open instance for everyone. The name (FOSSware) suggests that it’s for people interested in FOSS (free and open source software) only, but in the description, I specifically mentioned that it’s an open instance for everyone, just like with lemmy.world and other popular instances.
I’m running this instance, because I love technology and I’m hosting a lot of stuff for my family, friends and I, as well as some public facing things already. It’s a hobby.
Another reason why I’m doing it is that I just want to give back to the community, as I strongly believe that decentralized tech is the future. We were proven time and time again that centralized approaches, where only one entity is in control, is really bad for the userbase.
And the economy, whatever form that economy may be. Content and comment economies online, or the financial one in real life.
I am part of a team that runs an instance for financial discussion, specifically related to direct registration of securities.
For us, the benefit is additional control over the resiliency and transparency of the server and moderation style.
“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”
The wretched refuse of Reddit’s scheming shore
Me trying to login in to every instance except the one where I signed up.
“Oh yeah I think I get it now”
continues to mess up
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I’ve registered on at least two, maybe three instances because I could never move from one to the other. I think i may have it working now.
Holy shit im in this boat. My mobile experience has been rough. No idea what I did or if any of it was right. Jerboa, Readtthat, logins, confusion. I’m getting the hang of it on PC and on Lemmy.world. But, fuck ig I know if Lemmy.world’s “all” is the true all?
But, fuck ig I know if Lemmy.world’s “all” is the true all?
There is no true “All”. Every instance pulls in content from communities that at least one user on that instance has subscribed to.
You can use the Lemmy Explorer to go find communities that nobody on your instance has found yet.
I see I see. I will get the hang of it eventually.
Do you use a regular browser or app for lemmy? It took me a day or two, but its finally all starting to make sense within my Connect for Lemmy app.
Browser atm. Jerboa and onenother app I haven’t gotten used to yet.
So far in just assuming lemmy.world is like, a main hub. So I made an account there, and now like, I haven’t fully figured out like, I see subs and communities. But I don’t fully understand how they are tied to just my lemmy.world instance.
Way over my head 😂
Same I have no clue. I signed up to Lemmy world and can’t find any subs that are bigger than 30 people… Hoping they sort the growing issues.
https://lemmy.world/communities
Here’s the list I see.
I jumped onto Reddthat, no reason why, but it seems enough people have subscribed to other instances that its given me a good feed. Beehaw iununfederated, but I still use c/technology (tbh, I still dont know how communities work…, beehaw has technology, and many others do as well)
But atleast on Connect for Lemmy I’ve been taking a look at the trending communities and tapping subscribe. Sometimes it works, othertimes I reload the app and try again and itll show up.
Thanks to that it’s starting to feel full, I’ve got memes, showerthoughts, tech stuff, piracy, all the goodies. Now if someone could just show me the door to the not so safe for work stuff I’d be set…
I dream of a world with a nsfw community on lemm.ee/c/smash
Or maybe lemm.ee/c/datpeepee
Not that one. No porn allowed on lemm.ee.
Becky said my tail was big.
I am that bitch named Becky
and no I didnt. hmph.
I picked up “lemmyc.com” (lemmesee.com & lemmesea.com) for the same reason.
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What have you been doing in the meantime? Don’t tell me you have been living an actual life or something weird like that?!
He was on 4chan, so it’s ok
Hopefully, the momentum of people transferring to lemmy stays. I’ve had conversations with other Redditors who recognized the importance of third party apps but went ahead and downloaded the official app anyway.
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Tell me about it. Just goes to show that certain people aren’t willing to compromise on what they perceive as their home.
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Lemmy also has a really great app environment. Boost for Lemmy is apparently already on the way, as well as both Sync, Slide, and a bunch of new apps too!
You can also try out wefwef.app I’m using it right now and it feels just like Apollo
Oh absolutely. Wefwef is great, I’m actually using it as my desktop Lemmy experience right now. Right now app development is moving so fast that my favorite is rapidly switching, but the three favorites that I’m using the most are Connect, Thunder, and wefwef.
Imma go ahead and take note of your suggestions. Thank you fellow Lemming!
How can anyone use the official app after using a 3PA for years? The official app is laggy and bloated…
Addicted to the ecosystem
I honestly don’t know. It baffles me. Maybe it’s convenient but their decisions completely invalidates the blackout and just confirms spez’s words that this will all blow over.
I tried the official app soon after it’s initial release and didn’t like it. Tried again the other day and it was even worse than I remember. It was ugly and slow scrolling on my phone. I deleted it right away. I don’t mind using the reddit desktop site, if I go back for my niche communities until they make it to the Fediverse, but I’m no longer using reddit on mobile if I can’t use my favorite 3rd-party app. Reddit even made it’s mobile website annoying to use, trying push people to its app. I absolutely hate when sites do that.
Ah the Pokémon go / Niantic “protest” method.
“Niantic is taking advantage of the good will from its players!!..… but I’ll still play it…I just won’t like it as much and I won’t buy anything ….”
Let’s do this thing.
Lol, this exactly. I tried to make an account 3 different times, each on a different server, couldn’t get sign-up to submit till the third time. I was one of too many trying. Better problem than nobody being here!
Is me! Dig it so far!
You Dugg it
I Reddited it
Now we lem it.
I keep following the refugees. I guess I really am a lemming
I am honestly curious how long it will take for lemmy to get its first million users. May we win or not. but still nice to see a chance and grow
If you trust the totals at https://the-federation.info/platform/73 – then we’re already past 2M users.
But if you look at “Active this month”, then it is only 60k users. Lemmy counts activity differently than Reddit. Active means: made a comment or post, whereas Reddit counts any user you had the post in their feed as active.
So this month there’s about 2M users, 2M comments, 600k posts, but only 60k of those users generated all of the content.
The only rule on Reddit was: 90% of the users were non-participating lurkers. It seems this might be accurate here too, or at least approximately.
There’s also a lot of bots. There’s like 20 servers with 70k “users” and 10 or less active users (making posts & comments). Doing the math, that should reduce the total by 1.4m. 600,000 real users is still pretty great though.
Win?
I think in this scenario “winning” would be replacing reddit as the primary link aggregator and online forum. But even if that does happen eventually, it’ll be slow and gradual
Yeah it’s gonna take a while to replace reddit, and initially This whole Fediverse and instances concept gets a bit confusing and overwhelming to start with. I mean eventually you start to get a hang of it if you really put in effort and I believe in a lot of cases that learning curve is what will stop a lot of users from joining here. But if that hurdle is crossed a lot of people will eventually move here.
Personally I think it only seems confusing and overwhelming because everyone is saying that is. If someone can understand email, then they should be able to understand Lemmy
While it might seem that way to someone who is using lemmy or mastodon or any of the other fediverse apps. To a new user it will be overwhelming and almost everyone has the same first question “Do I have to create an account on all instances?” To which a lot of people familiar with the fediverse would say “No” but the caveat being you might have to create an account on more than one instance coz maybe your current instance was blocked by the other instance that you might be trying to access. It took me a day of reading exploring and understanding to get this far. So while the mail example maybe pretty simple and easy to understand it’s still not exactly as simple as that. A better example would be if you have a Twitter account you can access Gmail, YouTube, Instagram and Facebook with a single account if the other apps (instances) allow it. Also with that said there can be multiple variants of the Twitter app (instance), say Twitter 1 , Twitter 2 , Twitter 3 each with their own Communities and rules. They may or may not be able to communicate with each other depending on the moderation and community rules. So you see how even the simple examples slowly start to get complex.
I’d argue youre the one making it complex. Because really for 99% of user the answer is still just no. defederalization isnt super likely and instances like lemmy.world have enough communities and instances that are federalized for the average user to not notice shit. Its exactly complex as you want it to be. Just tell most people to sign up to a lemmy.world or lemmy.ml and from their perspective it’ll just work
A lot of Defedralization is already happening …and in most cases smaller instances will defedralize with bigger instances. That is because larger instance allow anyone to sign up so this makes it harder for smaller instances to moderate and if your arbitrary metric of 99% of users “do not give a shit” stands true then there isn’t really even a point to really join coz u are not taking advantage of what the fediverse really has to offer. The fact remains that it is complex , I am not making it complex nor is anyone on purpose trying to make it complex. Even if people were do do exacty as you say and only sign up on “lemmy.world or lemmy.ml” in most cases even that right now is not easy coz these instances are currently experiencing high traffic and are giving errors …There aren’t any good polished apps (at least on ios don’t know about android but it is a pretty similar situation) . So all and all anyone coming from the web2.0 apps will not have the easy onboarding they previously had. You are trying to oversimplify it which goes to destroy what the fediverse is trying to build that no instance is less or more important , while you dont need to sign up for every instance in existance you should still look into go explore new instances that cater to your specific needs and interests and then consider creating an account there …and since account can in most cases be migrated you can later on only have one account once you have found all the communities you wanted to join.
Me cuz I suck with computers and couldn’t figure out how to make an account. It kept failing and one wanted me to write an essay on why I should be considered. Im a casual reddit users I didn’t want to write an essay. Finally signed up with lemmy.world and I know its slow cuz a lot of people are on it but at least it worked lol.
That’s me before the blackout, now settled on sh.itjust.works because shit just work
I filled out the essay and didn’t make the cut :( then I started to understand some more about this stuff and found lemmy.world
Oh god I finally was able to log in, 2 days after I thought I failed to make an account because none of the emails went through.
I wish there was some sort of way that I could send CPU power or bandwidth, tor style, to these new decentralized platforms. I totally get that they’re having growing pains, and I also get that part of the tradeoff of decentralization is “well, who pays the hosting bills then?”
I’d love to put a percentage of my bandwidth and home server (or even AWS instance) CPU resources towards running an encrypted Lemmy.world instance. I don’t want to just run my own barren, empty server like what the Federated system would let me do; I don’t feel like that would actually have any benefit to making a reddit-replacement since why would anyone use my instance? No, I specifically want to dedicate resources to helping the popular instances, be able to run.
Holy crap these upvote numbers are something new. Thanks spez 😅
To be fair you’re on the most popular instance, the nice thing about federated stuff is you can join a smaller instance that’s not overloaded, and still have access the same content.
I wish they did a better job of explaining that on the lemmy site haha
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That depends, if you subscribe to a community on another instance, as I understand it the only thing you would be accessing remotely is image uploads, text posts and all the other UI stuff is coming directly from your instance.
Big if True. Cool if True! I think I need a, um /c/explainlikeimfive (this sublem probably hasn’t been made yet, or maybe not… it’s the goddamn wild west out here) of how all these federated stuff actually works and if what you’re describing actually would lessen the load on lemmy’s servers. I work with servers hardware shit but web server software is magical to me.
I wish they did, too. I thought it was different content for each instance.
Take the money that you would’ve spend on AWS and donate it to lemmy.world. That would be the best solution IMO.
I have a feeling that the user of lemmy gonna be called lemmyin (lemmy in) just like how reddit and their users are redditor
Lemmyin this train. We’re leaving reddit!!!
I think “lemmings” or “lemons” are going to be the final winners of that race.
I love being a lemon
Just dont let it go to your head and become a lemon stealing whore
lemon for 2 dollars
🍋!
Lemmonist?
I just wish I knew how to make a top level comment on Jerboa
The same way you made this comment? The same button is on the main post at the top
Lemmyngs
I like Fedditor because Lemmy is a reddit-esque link aggregator on the Fediverse.
Lemur
