You must be laughably sheltered if blocking traffic as a form of protest is something you consider to be a “serious crime”. And yes, climate terrorists is kinda the next consequential step if you make protesting illegal.
I am not talking about a road. Interrupting air traffic is a crime with up to 10 years of prison. There is a difference between people in cars and people’s in flying cans that at some point run out of fuel. At least this is the reasoning behind this. Not saying that was the case for this incident. Just why this law exists.
Planes have plenty of excess fuel, enough that they often dump huge portions of it mid flight. This is a very overblown point, especially when they often circle for quite a long time over the airports anyway. Either way, the point of it obviously is that they shouldn’t be flying in the first place.
Says the one writing on a device some text, and sending it to a server. And both pieces of hardware are send around the world multiple times. Their raw resources, assembled parts and the whole systems.
But: we need alternatives to fossils fuel for planes. And, of course, short range flights or flying to Mallorcavjust to drink,puke and piss, should be forbidden.
We can’t remove planes without removing a huge part of the stuff that we are dependent on every single day.
To find compromises, we have to start at the extremes. But there is no seek for compromise. And after all, we are to late for compromises.
And btw, if you read my comments, I also don’t assume that anybody was in danger. But imagine someone disturbs air traffic vor 4-8 hours?
I just explained why there is a law against such things.
If you think me writing a few comments on the Fediverse is even comparable to the emissions of even a single plane flight, then you’re having some serious struggles in understanding the scope of how much planes pollute. Hell, my entire footprint is probably about 1/20th of that of your average person in the West. I don’t even have warm water, or a fridge, my phone is years old and my hardware old midrange at best. I literally slept on the freaking floor for years. Welcome to the poverty line. But please, educate me more about how much me arguing with you is going to destroy the planet.
And yes, we can remove a good majority of the planes in the sky very easily, because most of it is just for people’s comfort, laziness and entitlement.
I don’t compare your footprint to anything. Also I am not arguing that our debate here is a risk to the planet.
I am just saying that without airplanes, many things would be not possible. And that includes solar and Wind energy btw.
I am well aware how large the co2 footprint of an airplane is. But if I have the choice between banning all airplanes and green energy, my choice is clear.
And here is the core of the issue, and this is btw a very generell issue:
We are such dependent on things like airplanes, trucks and cars, thar we can not force a complete ban without risking other important stuff.
I work in IT. I am fighting constantly to reduce power consumption, for self sufficient data centers and advocate against large scale AI, because the power consumption is massiv and the raw resources for GPU damage the environment from gathering through production.
And one of the most paradox things I encountered is a customer that does climate change research and tries to find more ways to combat it. And they asked for an offer with over 200 GPU’s.
And based on this experience, my rough calculations for an average lemmy instance gives me about 2 metric tons co2/year. But is this bad? We are using this to discuss topics like these, organize protest, and if course for fun.
I know the following is a stupid argument, but stick with me for a second.
Based on your criteria we could shut down 90% of all instances.
That would save us around 40 tons co2 per year.
So, if we isolate this it looks good, right?
But: a flight from Frankfurt to Heathrow wit a 747 alone produces around 70 tons of co2.
So, it is all a question of perspective. And I am completely with you >70% of all flights should be just forbidden. Nobody, I repeat, nobody needs to fly from Germany to Italy. Use the fucking train.
But how about USA? There is no train in this direction. So, while I am all for reducing flights as much as we can, we still have to keep some passenger planes.
And for fright, we may be dependent for stuff that must be delivered quickly and is sensible to environmental conditions. Like parts for solar panels.
This is a legal term and civil disobedience has never been punished like this by German authorities. It was mainly a fine and maybe a few days in prison and not years.
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You must be laughably sheltered if blocking traffic as a form of protest is something you consider to be a “serious crime”. And yes, climate terrorists is kinda the next consequential step if you make protesting illegal.
It is in the fucking StGB. Neither you nor me define what a serious crime is, the law does. Do I agree? No. But it is still the law.
Every single protest blocks traffic my dude. And no, not everything in the StGB is a “serious crime”. Learn some nuance.
I am not talking about a road. Interrupting air traffic is a crime with up to 10 years of prison. There is a difference between people in cars and people’s in flying cans that at some point run out of fuel. At least this is the reasoning behind this. Not saying that was the case for this incident. Just why this law exists.
Planes have plenty of excess fuel, enough that they often dump huge portions of it mid flight. This is a very overblown point, especially when they often circle for quite a long time over the airports anyway. Either way, the point of it obviously is that they shouldn’t be flying in the first place.
Says the one writing on a device some text, and sending it to a server. And both pieces of hardware are send around the world multiple times. Their raw resources, assembled parts and the whole systems.
But: we need alternatives to fossils fuel for planes. And, of course, short range flights or flying to Mallorcavjust to drink,puke and piss, should be forbidden.
We can’t remove planes without removing a huge part of the stuff that we are dependent on every single day.
To find compromises, we have to start at the extremes. But there is no seek for compromise. And after all, we are to late for compromises.
And btw, if you read my comments, I also don’t assume that anybody was in danger. But imagine someone disturbs air traffic vor 4-8 hours? I just explained why there is a law against such things.
If you think me writing a few comments on the Fediverse is even comparable to the emissions of even a single plane flight, then you’re having some serious struggles in understanding the scope of how much planes pollute. Hell, my entire footprint is probably about 1/20th of that of your average person in the West. I don’t even have warm water, or a fridge, my phone is years old and my hardware old midrange at best. I literally slept on the freaking floor for years. Welcome to the poverty line. But please, educate me more about how much me arguing with you is going to destroy the planet.
And yes, we can remove a good majority of the planes in the sky very easily, because most of it is just for people’s comfort, laziness and entitlement.
I don’t compare your footprint to anything. Also I am not arguing that our debate here is a risk to the planet.
I am just saying that without airplanes, many things would be not possible. And that includes solar and Wind energy btw.
I am well aware how large the co2 footprint of an airplane is. But if I have the choice between banning all airplanes and green energy, my choice is clear.
And here is the core of the issue, and this is btw a very generell issue:
We are such dependent on things like airplanes, trucks and cars, thar we can not force a complete ban without risking other important stuff.
I work in IT. I am fighting constantly to reduce power consumption, for self sufficient data centers and advocate against large scale AI, because the power consumption is massiv and the raw resources for GPU damage the environment from gathering through production.
And one of the most paradox things I encountered is a customer that does climate change research and tries to find more ways to combat it. And they asked for an offer with over 200 GPU’s.
And based on this experience, my rough calculations for an average lemmy instance gives me about 2 metric tons co2/year. But is this bad? We are using this to discuss topics like these, organize protest, and if course for fun.
I know the following is a stupid argument, but stick with me for a second.
Based on your criteria we could shut down 90% of all instances. That would save us around 40 tons co2 per year.
So, if we isolate this it looks good, right?
But: a flight from Frankfurt to Heathrow wit a 747 alone produces around 70 tons of co2.
So, it is all a question of perspective. And I am completely with you >70% of all flights should be just forbidden. Nobody, I repeat, nobody needs to fly from Germany to Italy. Use the fucking train.
But how about USA? There is no train in this direction. So, while I am all for reducing flights as much as we can, we still have to keep some passenger planes.
And for fright, we may be dependent for stuff that must be delivered quickly and is sensible to environmental conditions. Like parts for solar panels.
This is a legal term and civil disobedience has never been punished like this by German authorities. It was mainly a fine and maybe a few days in prison and not years.