The Israelis have been “creating facts on the ground” in the West Bank for thirty years.
These are now facts and Israel will have to reckon with what those facts mean.
It has always been a trilemma for them: Israel can be large, Jewish, democratic, pick two. They seem to have frozen the first variable, making the trilemma a dilemma: a Jewish state or a democratic one.
The way I understood your point is that their foundational atrocity, the Nakba, makes majority-Jewish democracy impossible. I.e., it could have never at any point in its history have been a democratic country. Did I understand your point wrong?
To that point I responded that other ethnostate democracies exist in the region that also have foundational atrocities in their history but are now pretty democratic and pretty peaceful, …all things considered. But they had to learn the lesson the hard way. That’s my point, that Israelis need to at some point also face the harsh reality of the impossibility of their nationalist delusions. Just like the Greeks, the Turks, the Bulgarians etc.
The Israelis have been “creating facts on the ground” in the West Bank for thirty years.
These are now facts and Israel will have to reckon with what those facts mean.
It has always been a trilemma for them: Israel can be large, Jewish, democratic, pick two. They seem to have frozen the first variable, making the trilemma a dilemma: a Jewish state or a democratic one.
Considering Zionism is inherently a fascist principle I think they’re pretty clear on which one they favor.
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Zionism calls for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. You literally can’t have that without fascism. It’s impossible.
Your argument is that Zionism is no more inherently fascist than other inherently fascist ideals? Okay. Was that it? Seems kind of nonsensical.
Yes and no. It was originally the dilemma until they got around it by committing the Nakba.
Man wonder what happened to kick off said catastrophe?
Uh… I’m not sure how you intend to justify the ethnic cleansing of 700 thousand people but this isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
I don’t think so. In the context of the eastern Mediterranean and the Balkans, the Nakba is (sadly) not that unique.
I mean maybe it’s not, but I don’t see how that’s related to my point.
The way I understood your point is that their foundational atrocity, the Nakba, makes majority-Jewish democracy impossible. I.e., it could have never at any point in its history have been a democratic country. Did I understand your point wrong?
To that point I responded that other ethnostate democracies exist in the region that also have foundational atrocities in their history but are now pretty democratic and pretty peaceful, …all things considered. But they had to learn the lesson the hard way. That’s my point, that Israelis need to at some point also face the harsh reality of the impossibility of their nationalist delusions. Just like the Greeks, the Turks, the Bulgarians etc.