When you sit there and call center leaning people Nazis it pushes the entire spectrum right. If you can’t see how screaming at everyone for moderate views pushes them out of your camp then maybe look closer at where the person you are calling a Nazi ends up feeling about your views after the fact.
It’s like watching the US bomb terrorism away.
And I’m mad at everything? You’ve just called me a Nazi for having centrist views. You can’t see any way that’s going to escalate and accelerate everyone hating each other?
Internet activists really have lost all shreds of empathy.
Well, when one side says gays deserve to be erradicated and one side says let everyone be themselves centrists say both sides have merit when they clearly dont.
Centrists uphold fascism by defending terrible ideals.
The right wants to kill people and centrists say “wait a second, this guys got a point.”
Find me a centrist who actually believes what you said. You have cast millions as a single dimensional group. THIS is the problem.
An average person in the middle could support queer rights, could support pulling money from Israel until an agreement for both pieces of shit states (actually believing only the people get fucked) chill the fuck out, and they could support a national gun laws on basic registration and education but not stupid shit like bump stock bans, and maybe theyd ike to tax billionaires but don’t believe that them renting out a second home on airbnb should be illegal.
You’ve taken a decent person, and turned them into a Nazi supporting asshole.
And when you grow up, you see this shit, more constantly every day, it creates radicalism. Both side have grown up with constant memes, jokes, and a culture of dehumanization of the other side. And no both sides are not the same, the GOP are monsters and every party member deserves whatever they get in whatever hell they believe in.
But you, and what this meme is doing, is squeezing a long balloon from the center. It’s not helpful, it creates a further divide, and creates voter apathy.
It’s not helpful and our little monkey brains will piece by piece contribute to the demise of democracy, as flawed and fucked up as GW and those fuckers set up for us, because we can’t empathize beyond a computer screen.
I’m done multi paragraph ranting over a meme. I’ve said my peace. This isn’t helpful.
Those views you’re describing are pretty lefty. Why so reluctant to own that instead of forcing yourself to be “an asshole” for not being subsumed into every possible position?
I’m left as fuck and can still disagree with people I am affiliated with. Maybe quit trying to be perfectly in one group or another and ignore the idiots who claim you must be in support of every possible policy position to qualify for their approval.
Sure they’re loud, but bailing on supporting the party that represents the majority of your personal feelings because someone over there was unhappy you didn’t support their pet policy position is dumb. Get thicker skin or you’re just like them, unwilling to compromise.
No, they aren’t. And those aren’t all my views. I identified as a libertarian before it was co-op’ed and went off the rails (it was always filled with some crazies and ano-libs I guess) but it’s relatively right on a global scale.
This comment supports the notion of a larger symptom: false dichotomies boosted by a flawed FPTP electoral system. Because opinions vary, it’s highly possible, as demonstrated by your argument, to have pluralistic views. But due to the effective nature of the two-party system it forces hands into two camps.
In alternative systems it would allow this person with their rental properties to hold their social values and the nuance of their economic requirements (symptom of the economic system) without alienation.
That’s not the current reality, so I understand it’s simply not where we’re at. But ultimately if the social pressures “make them feel bad” so that they choose “to become a Nazi” then that still says more about their personal belief systems, suceptibility to bullying, and unwillingness to affect change.
Ultimately, choosing a polticial system that persecutes immutable characteristics of individuals because those that would be victims of said persecution (or those sympathetic to their plight) are impolitely defensive is akin to, “I’m not on fire, so why are all the people for whom the fire encroaches upon screaming at me? It is mean and makes me uncomfortable and feel bad. Let them burn.”
I agree with fptp sucking ass, but the rest to me seems to imply an inevitable call to violence. I don’t think it has to be a dichotomy with some common ground and realizing that the Internet has amplified the political effects.
There’s no amount of being pushed out of a group that would make me support nazis, that is always a no go, no matter what. I think it’s odd that your brain works “left no like me? Me join nazi now.”, that will never be an option.
This thread is a fucking trip lmao. I remember a comment from another thread, paraphrasing: When the left learns to compromise they’ll save the world, about 50 years too late.
Thinking that if you’re a centrist you find half as many people undesirable as the right does is too dumb to argue against.
While I agree that calling centrism just fascist in a disguise wouldn’t be apt without context, the political support the centrist parties and people gave to the most nutjob right wing, fascist or fascist-tendency showing parties have made the left hardened against the “can’t we all get along” wolf cries of the center aimed at them and not the right wingers, while the said right wingers kept chipping away at freedoms and human rights everywhere.
I called myself a centrist till about 5-6 years ago. I know all the views one can rightfully hold there, mostly wrapped around constructive criticism of the left, but also the naive and exploitable inexperienced approaches one can fall into and play into the hands of fascists-ideologies-in-disguise, mostly presented as detracting propaganda when you develop an eye for it.
On top of this, there is also the real fascists-in-disguise posing as harmless, well wishing centrists that prey on dejected centrists’ need for belonging, abusing it via inclusionary gatherings and confusing it via sidetracking the topics with false, thought killing presumptions.
The left already has its own criticisms in it, including conservative or traditionalist approaches in a non-american connotation. Actually I would argue the left is more grounded in its traditionalist approaches than the right. For example, the cyberpunk dystopia is often attributed to diversified and uncontested will that is confused by the left’s diversified and unhindered rights, while in reality the right’s diversified political-corporate speech and uncontested will that don’t respect others’ rights are leading us into it.
With the left already being capable of covering the tradition, common sense, and unity among its reason-based thought system, a centrist or right wing defense of such topics is justifiably left out to being considered a backwards, exploitable and abusable naive or disguised confusion propaganda.
And on top of this, today’s social, political, economic, ecological, etc. environment in all its aspects is suffering the results of the half-assed and exploitable leeways given to the right wing parties and corporations for decades during the cold war period when most of the both western and eastern political hemisphere fell into us vs them fascist underlying ideologies. Do you expect any more leniency given to the exploitable or already exploited centrist ideologies after the decades of backsliding it helped grow?
Well, you see, the thing about the current state of affairs is that it’s really a reflection of where we are as a society. When you think about it, the issues at hand are not just about policy, but about the fundamental values that we, as a people, hold dear. It’s not just about the left or the right, or even about the center; it’s about the larger picture, the overarching narrative that defines us. And when we look at the events unfolding, it’s clear that there’s something deeper, something more profound, that we need to address. But the question remains: are we ready to face it? Are we prepared to take a hard look at ourselves and make the necessary changes? Because at the end of the day, it’s not just about the headlines or the soundbites; it’s about who we are as a nation.
You people are just accelerating fascism. But I guess that’s why you’re here, the rest of the internet has already called you out enough 🤷♂️
What could they have possibly said for you to think they’re aiding the efforts of fascism lol some people really are just mad at literally everything
When you sit there and call center leaning people Nazis it pushes the entire spectrum right. If you can’t see how screaming at everyone for moderate views pushes them out of your camp then maybe look closer at where the person you are calling a Nazi ends up feeling about your views after the fact.
It’s like watching the US bomb terrorism away.
And I’m mad at everything? You’ve just called me a Nazi for having centrist views. You can’t see any way that’s going to escalate and accelerate everyone hating each other?
Internet activists really have lost all shreds of empathy.
Well, when one side says gays deserve to be erradicated and one side says let everyone be themselves centrists say both sides have merit when they clearly dont.
Centrists uphold fascism by defending terrible ideals.
The right wants to kill people and centrists say “wait a second, this guys got a point.”
Fascist: Let’s purge the undesirables.
Non fascist: Let’s not do that.
Enlightened centrist: Let’s compromise and purge half the undesirables.
Silly strawman obviously but it’s pretty illustrative of how it actually works out.
Find me a centrist who actually believes what you said. You have cast millions as a single dimensional group. THIS is the problem.
An average person in the middle could support queer rights, could support pulling money from Israel until an agreement for both pieces of shit states (actually believing only the people get fucked) chill the fuck out, and they could support a national gun laws on basic registration and education but not stupid shit like bump stock bans, and maybe theyd ike to tax billionaires but don’t believe that them renting out a second home on airbnb should be illegal.
You’ve taken a decent person, and turned them into a Nazi supporting asshole.
And when you grow up, you see this shit, more constantly every day, it creates radicalism. Both side have grown up with constant memes, jokes, and a culture of dehumanization of the other side. And no both sides are not the same, the GOP are monsters and every party member deserves whatever they get in whatever hell they believe in.
But you, and what this meme is doing, is squeezing a long balloon from the center. It’s not helpful, it creates a further divide, and creates voter apathy.
It’s not helpful and our little monkey brains will piece by piece contribute to the demise of democracy, as flawed and fucked up as GW and those fuckers set up for us, because we can’t empathize beyond a computer screen.
I’m done multi paragraph ranting over a meme. I’ve said my peace. This isn’t helpful.
Those views you’re describing are pretty lefty. Why so reluctant to own that instead of forcing yourself to be “an asshole” for not being subsumed into every possible position?
I’m left as fuck and can still disagree with people I am affiliated with. Maybe quit trying to be perfectly in one group or another and ignore the idiots who claim you must be in support of every possible policy position to qualify for their approval.
Sure they’re loud, but bailing on supporting the party that represents the majority of your personal feelings because someone over there was unhappy you didn’t support their pet policy position is dumb. Get thicker skin or you’re just like them, unwilling to compromise.
No, they aren’t. And those aren’t all my views. I identified as a libertarian before it was co-op’ed and went off the rails (it was always filled with some crazies and ano-libs I guess) but it’s relatively right on a global scale.
I’m CONSTANTLY called a Nazi and fascist here.
Can you give an example of a “centrist” view you have that got you called a Nazi?
https://lemmy.world/comment/11261401
I’ll bite. What views of yours do you hold that you consider to be Libertarian?
This comment supports the notion of a larger symptom: false dichotomies boosted by a flawed FPTP electoral system. Because opinions vary, it’s highly possible, as demonstrated by your argument, to have pluralistic views. But due to the effective nature of the two-party system it forces hands into two camps. In alternative systems it would allow this person with their rental properties to hold their social values and the nuance of their economic requirements (symptom of the economic system) without alienation. That’s not the current reality, so I understand it’s simply not where we’re at. But ultimately if the social pressures “make them feel bad” so that they choose “to become a Nazi” then that still says more about their personal belief systems, suceptibility to bullying, and unwillingness to affect change. Ultimately, choosing a polticial system that persecutes immutable characteristics of individuals because those that would be victims of said persecution (or those sympathetic to their plight) are impolitely defensive is akin to, “I’m not on fire, so why are all the people for whom the fire encroaches upon screaming at me? It is mean and makes me uncomfortable and feel bad. Let them burn.”
I agree with fptp sucking ass, but the rest to me seems to imply an inevitable call to violence. I don’t think it has to be a dichotomy with some common ground and realizing that the Internet has amplified the political effects.
There’s no amount of being pushed out of a group that would make me support nazis, that is always a no go, no matter what. I think it’s odd that your brain works “left no like me? Me join nazi now.”, that will never be an option.
This thread is a fucking trip lmao. I remember a comment from another thread, paraphrasing: When the left learns to compromise they’ll save the world, about 50 years too late.
Thinking that if you’re a centrist you find half as many people undesirable as the right does is too dumb to argue against.
While I agree that calling centrism just fascist in a disguise wouldn’t be apt without context, the political support the centrist parties and people gave to the most nutjob right wing, fascist or fascist-tendency showing parties have made the left hardened against the “can’t we all get along” wolf cries of the center aimed at them and not the right wingers, while the said right wingers kept chipping away at freedoms and human rights everywhere.
I called myself a centrist till about 5-6 years ago. I know all the views one can rightfully hold there, mostly wrapped around constructive criticism of the left, but also the naive and exploitable inexperienced approaches one can fall into and play into the hands of fascists-ideologies-in-disguise, mostly presented as detracting propaganda when you develop an eye for it.
On top of this, there is also the real fascists-in-disguise posing as harmless, well wishing centrists that prey on dejected centrists’ need for belonging, abusing it via inclusionary gatherings and confusing it via sidetracking the topics with false, thought killing presumptions.
The left already has its own criticisms in it, including conservative or traditionalist approaches in a non-american connotation. Actually I would argue the left is more grounded in its traditionalist approaches than the right. For example, the cyberpunk dystopia is often attributed to diversified and uncontested will that is confused by the left’s diversified and unhindered rights, while in reality the right’s diversified political-corporate speech and uncontested will that don’t respect others’ rights are leading us into it.
With the left already being capable of covering the tradition, common sense, and unity among its reason-based thought system, a centrist or right wing defense of such topics is justifiably left out to being considered a backwards, exploitable and abusable naive or disguised confusion propaganda.
And on top of this, today’s social, political, economic, ecological, etc. environment in all its aspects is suffering the results of the half-assed and exploitable leeways given to the right wing parties and corporations for decades during the cold war period when most of the both western and eastern political hemisphere fell into us vs them fascist underlying ideologies. Do you expect any more leniency given to the exploitable or already exploited centrist ideologies after the decades of backsliding it helped grow?
I presume you’re now familiar with the Overton Window?
Both sides
Left: education should be free and unbiased! Facts and science should be taught!
Right: there should be ten commandments in every classroom, all schools should be privately owned, mandatory Bible study
You’ve ignored everything I’ve wrote. I might be offended if I thought you could read 🤡.
Trump has pushed me to far left ideas like Islam. I need the polygamy to have the three income households to survive his trash economy.
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By insulting me you’re made me move further left so now I want universal healthcare.
Look what you made me do.
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This is bait lol
I know. I say crazy things like centrist aren’t Nazis and that it hurts progressive policy. Real rage bait stuff.
Found the fascist
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keep putting that clown makeup on, pal.
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Well, you see, the thing about the current state of affairs is that it’s really a reflection of where we are as a society. When you think about it, the issues at hand are not just about policy, but about the fundamental values that we, as a people, hold dear. It’s not just about the left or the right, or even about the center; it’s about the larger picture, the overarching narrative that defines us. And when we look at the events unfolding, it’s clear that there’s something deeper, something more profound, that we need to address. But the question remains: are we ready to face it? Are we prepared to take a hard look at ourselves and make the necessary changes? Because at the end of the day, it’s not just about the headlines or the soundbites; it’s about who we are as a nation.
Exsqueeze mee?
hur hur hur
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