When you sit there and call center leaning people Nazis it pushes the entire spectrum right. If you can’t see how screaming at everyone for moderate views pushes them out of your camp then maybe look closer at where the person you are calling a Nazi ends up feeling about your views after the fact.
It’s like watching the US bomb terrorism away.
And I’m mad at everything? You’ve just called me a Nazi for having centrist views. You can’t see any way that’s going to escalate and accelerate everyone hating each other?
Internet activists really have lost all shreds of empathy.
Well, when one side says gays deserve to be erradicated and one side says let everyone be themselves centrists say both sides have merit when they clearly dont.
Centrists uphold fascism by defending terrible ideals.
The right wants to kill people and centrists say “wait a second, this guys got a point.”
Find me a centrist who actually believes what you said. You have cast millions as a single dimensional group. THIS is the problem.
An average person in the middle could support queer rights, could support pulling money from Israel until an agreement for both pieces of shit states (actually believing only the people get fucked) chill the fuck out, and they could support a national gun laws on basic registration and education but not stupid shit like bump stock bans, and maybe theyd ike to tax billionaires but don’t believe that them renting out a second home on airbnb should be illegal.
You’ve taken a decent person, and turned them into a Nazi supporting asshole.
And when you grow up, you see this shit, more constantly every day, it creates radicalism. Both side have grown up with constant memes, jokes, and a culture of dehumanization of the other side. And no both sides are not the same, the GOP are monsters and every party member deserves whatever they get in whatever hell they believe in.
But you, and what this meme is doing, is squeezing a long balloon from the center. It’s not helpful, it creates a further divide, and creates voter apathy.
It’s not helpful and our little monkey brains will piece by piece contribute to the demise of democracy, as flawed and fucked up as GW and those fuckers set up for us, because we can’t empathize beyond a computer screen.
I’m done multi paragraph ranting over a meme. I’ve said my peace. This isn’t helpful.
Those views you’re describing are pretty lefty. Why so reluctant to own that instead of forcing yourself to be “an asshole” for not being subsumed into every possible position?
I’m left as fuck and can still disagree with people I am affiliated with. Maybe quit trying to be perfectly in one group or another and ignore the idiots who claim you must be in support of every possible policy position to qualify for their approval.
Sure they’re loud, but bailing on supporting the party that represents the majority of your personal feelings because someone over there was unhappy you didn’t support their pet policy position is dumb. Get thicker skin or you’re just like them, unwilling to compromise.
No, they aren’t. And those aren’t all my views. I identified as a libertarian before it was co-op’ed and went off the rails (it was always filled with some crazies and ano-libs I guess) but it’s relatively right on a global scale.
This comment supports the notion of a larger symptom: false dichotomies boosted by a flawed FPTP electoral system. Because opinions vary, it’s highly possible, as demonstrated by your argument, to have pluralistic views. But due to the effective nature of the two-party system it forces hands into two camps.
In alternative systems it would allow this person with their rental properties to hold their social values and the nuance of their economic requirements (symptom of the economic system) without alienation.
That’s not the current reality, so I understand it’s simply not where we’re at. But ultimately if the social pressures “make them feel bad” so that they choose “to become a Nazi” then that still says more about their personal belief systems, suceptibility to bullying, and unwillingness to affect change.
Ultimately, choosing a polticial system that persecutes immutable characteristics of individuals because those that would be victims of said persecution (or those sympathetic to their plight) are impolitely defensive is akin to, “I’m not on fire, so why are all the people for whom the fire encroaches upon screaming at me? It is mean and makes me uncomfortable and feel bad. Let them burn.”
I agree with fptp sucking ass, but the rest to me seems to imply an inevitable call to violence. I don’t think it has to be a dichotomy with some common ground and realizing that the Internet has amplified the political effects.
There’s no amount of being pushed out of a group that would make me support nazis, that is always a no go, no matter what. I think it’s odd that your brain works “left no like me? Me join nazi now.”, that will never be an option.
This thread is a fucking trip lmao. I remember a comment from another thread, paraphrasing: When the left learns to compromise they’ll save the world, about 50 years too late.
Thinking that if you’re a centrist you find half as many people undesirable as the right does is too dumb to argue against.
What could they have possibly said for you to think they’re aiding the efforts of fascism lol some people really are just mad at literally everything
When you sit there and call center leaning people Nazis it pushes the entire spectrum right. If you can’t see how screaming at everyone for moderate views pushes them out of your camp then maybe look closer at where the person you are calling a Nazi ends up feeling about your views after the fact.
It’s like watching the US bomb terrorism away.
And I’m mad at everything? You’ve just called me a Nazi for having centrist views. You can’t see any way that’s going to escalate and accelerate everyone hating each other?
Internet activists really have lost all shreds of empathy.
Well, when one side says gays deserve to be erradicated and one side says let everyone be themselves centrists say both sides have merit when they clearly dont.
Centrists uphold fascism by defending terrible ideals.
The right wants to kill people and centrists say “wait a second, this guys got a point.”
Fascist: Let’s purge the undesirables.
Non fascist: Let’s not do that.
Enlightened centrist: Let’s compromise and purge half the undesirables.
Silly strawman obviously but it’s pretty illustrative of how it actually works out.
Find me a centrist who actually believes what you said. You have cast millions as a single dimensional group. THIS is the problem.
An average person in the middle could support queer rights, could support pulling money from Israel until an agreement for both pieces of shit states (actually believing only the people get fucked) chill the fuck out, and they could support a national gun laws on basic registration and education but not stupid shit like bump stock bans, and maybe theyd ike to tax billionaires but don’t believe that them renting out a second home on airbnb should be illegal.
You’ve taken a decent person, and turned them into a Nazi supporting asshole.
And when you grow up, you see this shit, more constantly every day, it creates radicalism. Both side have grown up with constant memes, jokes, and a culture of dehumanization of the other side. And no both sides are not the same, the GOP are monsters and every party member deserves whatever they get in whatever hell they believe in.
But you, and what this meme is doing, is squeezing a long balloon from the center. It’s not helpful, it creates a further divide, and creates voter apathy.
It’s not helpful and our little monkey brains will piece by piece contribute to the demise of democracy, as flawed and fucked up as GW and those fuckers set up for us, because we can’t empathize beyond a computer screen.
I’m done multi paragraph ranting over a meme. I’ve said my peace. This isn’t helpful.
Those views you’re describing are pretty lefty. Why so reluctant to own that instead of forcing yourself to be “an asshole” for not being subsumed into every possible position?
I’m left as fuck and can still disagree with people I am affiliated with. Maybe quit trying to be perfectly in one group or another and ignore the idiots who claim you must be in support of every possible policy position to qualify for their approval.
Sure they’re loud, but bailing on supporting the party that represents the majority of your personal feelings because someone over there was unhappy you didn’t support their pet policy position is dumb. Get thicker skin or you’re just like them, unwilling to compromise.
No, they aren’t. And those aren’t all my views. I identified as a libertarian before it was co-op’ed and went off the rails (it was always filled with some crazies and ano-libs I guess) but it’s relatively right on a global scale.
I’m CONSTANTLY called a Nazi and fascist here.
Can you give an example of a “centrist” view you have that got you called a Nazi?
https://lemmy.world/comment/11261401
Too scared to post actual political opinion, lmao
I’ll bite. What views of yours do you hold that you consider to be Libertarian?
This comment supports the notion of a larger symptom: false dichotomies boosted by a flawed FPTP electoral system. Because opinions vary, it’s highly possible, as demonstrated by your argument, to have pluralistic views. But due to the effective nature of the two-party system it forces hands into two camps. In alternative systems it would allow this person with their rental properties to hold their social values and the nuance of their economic requirements (symptom of the economic system) without alienation. That’s not the current reality, so I understand it’s simply not where we’re at. But ultimately if the social pressures “make them feel bad” so that they choose “to become a Nazi” then that still says more about their personal belief systems, suceptibility to bullying, and unwillingness to affect change. Ultimately, choosing a polticial system that persecutes immutable characteristics of individuals because those that would be victims of said persecution (or those sympathetic to their plight) are impolitely defensive is akin to, “I’m not on fire, so why are all the people for whom the fire encroaches upon screaming at me? It is mean and makes me uncomfortable and feel bad. Let them burn.”
I agree with fptp sucking ass, but the rest to me seems to imply an inevitable call to violence. I don’t think it has to be a dichotomy with some common ground and realizing that the Internet has amplified the political effects.
There’s no amount of being pushed out of a group that would make me support nazis, that is always a no go, no matter what. I think it’s odd that your brain works “left no like me? Me join nazi now.”, that will never be an option.
This thread is a fucking trip lmao. I remember a comment from another thread, paraphrasing: When the left learns to compromise they’ll save the world, about 50 years too late.
Thinking that if you’re a centrist you find half as many people undesirable as the right does is too dumb to argue against.