I watched the video itself. He barely mentioned it and it pretty obviously was one of his on-the-spot incoherent ramblings that he was just trying to form into a somewhat coherent thought. But the media and memes have been milking it for 3 days straight. That was a 1-day milk, 2-day at most. I’m sure he has done something moronic more recently, let’s move on.
“Sure, there’s a whole written plan about this you can read for yourself on the internet, but he barely mentioned that he has a plan to become a dictator. It doesn’t really mean you should care.” - that asshole, probably
I’m honestly baffled by how many upvotes this take is getting. “Let’s move on from Trump’s fascist rhetoric” is not a take I would expect to be popular with this community.
Exactly, we all already know this.
Democrats and those who weren’t gonna vote for him anyway already know this and it won’t affect their vote.
Republicans and those who were gonna vote for him really hope he’s a dictator and are glad to hear this. Will continue to vote for him.
Him accidentally stumbling into sorta saying it openly doesn’t change anything.
You underestimate how many ignorant non-voters can make or break any election. We need to bring out the roots and the mycelium to guarantee the fascists lose. If we don’t win by a wide enough margin, some state legislatures might succeed in overturning close races. They will try to throw out the will of the people of there’s enough ambiguity. They failed in 2020, but the last 4 years have been dedicated to making it possible. We need enough swing states to prevent the steal they projected onto us.
No amount of fear or concern is unwarranted. There is no overblowing the threat. We need to scream and yell for our fucking lives, or there will be no tomorrow for many. I will not pretend that your bullshit about “moving on” has any reasonable place in the conversation. We cannot look away from the monster charging us. If we lose concentration, people will die.
I totally agree with you, and in no way Trump should be taken lightly. But my original comment was misinterpreted by many people and it steered some of my following responses (like the one you’re replying to now) in a different direction. My original point (laid out in a response to another comment) is that this specific case of blowing things out of proportion by the media causes desensitization and will only reduce the engagement in the future. And this happens often, Trump will say something insane or fascist in his unstructured dementia-induced rambling speech, and then never mention it again. Meanwhile, the media will put it on full blast for a week for the views. People will focus on that one-off stupid thing he said and miss the real issues with him and his party that need to be address.
At this point I’ll admit that using “let’s move on” was a little bit triggering and acted like a red herring. Everybody thought I mean “let’s move on from discussing Trump being fascist”, while I really meant “let’s focus on actual issues”.
That makes some sense, but Trump being a fascist dictator is an issue that needs to be talked about, especially for the left wing people who think they can sit this election out for some bullshit reason.
Yeah man, a presidential candidate with a real chance of winning is telling his base that he’ll get rid of elections as president, and this is something that his biggest wealthiest supporters actually want him to do. Multibillion dollar right-wing think tanks that work directly with him are openly discussing how the “Democratic experiment” has failed, and that Washington should be “burned to save America”.
He checks off just about every other box on the fascism checklist too, including genocide…
But I would hate to overreact, so I’ll just pretend it didn’t happen.
Am I right that the most charitable possible interpretation is that he only needs four more years to permanently fix the country, and then he’ll leave office, and the country will be so great forever that it’d be OK not to vote - because the country is so perfect and beautiful?
It’s a stupid thing to say given the horrible horrible possible other interpretation (dictator for life). But I wonder what his buddies and apologists would claim he meant.
No, my actual interpretation is explained in another response. I’m still very confused how people think that I’m in any way pro-Trump, while I called him moronic in the same comment. And this was your “most charitable” interpretation?
Tl;dr: I was taking about media blowing it out of proportion based on how he said it, causing desensitization.
Fair point. You seemed to have the most nuanced response in the thread, so offering too little context I jumped into a question for you about what he could have actually meant if not “I’ll be a dictator forever”. And indeed, I found some apologists responding to criticism, and they did sound like they took what I imagined was the most charitable interpretation of what the ex-president said.
Were I in the media, I’d try to run a headline that squashed in that felon president said something shocking libs who interpreted dictator rhetoric while proponents only heard boasting or positive thinking.
I watched the video itself. He barely mentioned it and it pretty obviously was one of his on-the-spot incoherent ramblings that he was just trying to form into a somewhat coherent thought. But the media and memes have been milking it for 3 days straight. That was a 1-day milk, 2-day at most. I’m sure he has done something moronic more recently, let’s move on.
Why would we move on from his admitting to what we all know, his goal is the end of our Republic.
What the hell are you talking about, we should NOT move on, that’s been the problem all along.
“Sure, there’s a whole written plan about this you can read for yourself on the internet, but he barely mentioned that he has a plan to become a dictator. It doesn’t really mean you should care.” - that asshole, probably
Wait I have another one.
“I mean, he’s just rambling incoherently. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give him access to our nuclear arsenal.” - that same asshole, almost certainly
Wait, are you calling me an asshole? Just because I’m tired about hearing old news for 3 days?
Boy, people on Lemmy are no better at making assumptions about people out of thin air.
I’m honestly baffled by how many upvotes this take is getting. “Let’s move on from Trump’s fascist rhetoric” is not a take I would expect to be popular with this community.
Exactly, we all already know this. Democrats and those who weren’t gonna vote for him anyway already know this and it won’t affect their vote. Republicans and those who were gonna vote for him really hope he’s a dictator and are glad to hear this. Will continue to vote for him.
Him accidentally stumbling into sorta saying it openly doesn’t change anything.
You underestimate how many ignorant non-voters can make or break any election. We need to bring out the roots and the mycelium to guarantee the fascists lose. If we don’t win by a wide enough margin, some state legislatures might succeed in overturning close races. They will try to throw out the will of the people of there’s enough ambiguity. They failed in 2020, but the last 4 years have been dedicated to making it possible. We need enough swing states to prevent the steal they projected onto us.
No amount of fear or concern is unwarranted. There is no overblowing the threat. We need to scream and yell for our fucking lives, or there will be no tomorrow for many. I will not pretend that your bullshit about “moving on” has any reasonable place in the conversation. We cannot look away from the monster charging us. If we lose concentration, people will die.
I totally agree with you, and in no way Trump should be taken lightly. But my original comment was misinterpreted by many people and it steered some of my following responses (like the one you’re replying to now) in a different direction. My original point (laid out in a response to another comment) is that this specific case of blowing things out of proportion by the media causes desensitization and will only reduce the engagement in the future. And this happens often, Trump will say something insane or fascist in his unstructured dementia-induced rambling speech, and then never mention it again. Meanwhile, the media will put it on full blast for a week for the views. People will focus on that one-off stupid thing he said and miss the real issues with him and his party that need to be address.
At this point I’ll admit that using “let’s move on” was a little bit triggering and acted like a red herring. Everybody thought I mean “let’s move on from discussing Trump being fascist”, while I really meant “let’s focus on actual issues”.
That makes some sense, but Trump being a fascist dictator is an issue that needs to be talked about, especially for the left wing people who think they can sit this election out for some bullshit reason.
Yeah man, a presidential candidate with a real chance of winning is telling his base that he’ll get rid of elections as president, and this is something that his biggest wealthiest supporters actually want him to do. Multibillion dollar right-wing think tanks that work directly with him are openly discussing how the “Democratic experiment” has failed, and that Washington should be “burned to save America”.
He checks off just about every other box on the fascism checklist too, including genocide…
But I would hate to overreact, so I’ll just pretend it didn’t happen.
/s
You’re one of those people that believes you shouldn’t believe someone when they tell you who they are.
Can I borrow $50?
Casual complacency when faced with actual dictator rhetoric? Bold strategy.
He said it 3 times and it’s pretty obvious and clear what he means.
Aaaaaand that’s how you end up with an authoritarion fascist regime.
You end up with an authoritarian regime by saying things everybody already knows? I’ll be careful not to tell people that water is wet.
Am I right that the most charitable possible interpretation is that he only needs four more years to permanently fix the country, and then he’ll leave office, and the country will be so great forever that it’d be OK not to vote - because the country is so perfect and beautiful?
It’s a stupid thing to say given the horrible horrible possible other interpretation (dictator for life). But I wonder what his buddies and apologists would claim he meant.
No, my actual interpretation is explained in another response. I’m still very confused how people think that I’m in any way pro-Trump, while I called him moronic in the same comment. And this was your “most charitable” interpretation?
Tl;dr: I was taking about media blowing it out of proportion based on how he said it, causing desensitization.
Fair point. You seemed to have the most nuanced response in the thread, so offering too little context I jumped into a question for you about what he could have actually meant if not “I’ll be a dictator forever”. And indeed, I found some apologists responding to criticism, and they did sound like they took what I imagined was the most charitable interpretation of what the ex-president said.
Were I in the media, I’d try to run a headline that squashed in that felon president said something shocking libs who interpreted dictator rhetoric while proponents only heard boasting or positive thinking.
Yeah, I’ve been know for being too brief for my own good.