• @JohnBrownII
    link
    465 months ago

    The 13th Amendment did not abolish slavery. It made it a punishment for a crime

    • Blackout
      link
      fedilink
      195 months ago

      Slavery is still the best way to make money if you own slaves. Elon Musk knows this.

    • atocci
      link
      185 months ago

      Sounds like Jonathan still has a chance to redeem himself then

      • Atelopus-zeteki
        link
        fedilink
        175 months ago

        I mean, Big J IS a tortoise. I’m pretty sure he’s been working on social justice, but you know, it’s going kinda slowly.

        • ivanafterall ☑️
          link
          English
          65 months ago

          Of course he only cares about soshell issues. Typical self-serving reptile politician.

      • ivanafterall ☑️
        link
        English
        25 months ago

        Why do you assume Jonathan isn’t the reason the 13th amendment doesn’t abolish slavery?

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      65 months ago

      No, it abolished slavery with an exception carved out for punishment for crime.

      The difference is important. Saying it was “made a punishment” suggests that before the amendment that option didn’t exist. It did. The 13th amendment just clarified that that use was allowed to continue.

      But, it’s also worth noting that in the late 1700s and early 1800s imprisonment was uncommon, and a lot of crimes just carried the death penalty. In England, pickpocketing more than the modern equivalent of about $40 could result in a death penalty. Same with cutting down trees, or stealing from a rabbit warren. For less serious crimes there were the stocks, whipping, and fines. England had an option that wasn’t available to the US: transportation. Australia was originally a penal colony, and the people sent there were forced to labour until their sentences were up.

      Prisons (along with their work programs) were seen as a new, progressive idea that could potentially reform a prisoner, rather than just killing / punishing them.