You were shown a simple demonstration of the Spoiler Effect, which may cause Republicans to win the race if a third party manages to draw votes away from Democrats.
You’re still endorsing voting third party, saying you don’t care.
You’re endorsing helping Republicans.
What the other poster is implying isn’t that Republicans may vote Green. On the contrary, it’s that Democrats may vote Green and split their vote, while Republicans will stand united.
At the end of the day, when the votes are counted, your ideology doesn’t matter. Why you voted the way you did doesn’t matter. What matters is who wins the election, and if you’re consciously proposing an election strategy that may aid the Republicans, you’re contributing to their chances of victory.
And if you’re helping Republicans, don’t be surprised if people call you a Republican.
Blaming third-party voters for a potential Republican victory is totally misguided. Lemmy has been crying about this in every post that is about third parties.
If Democrats are so worried about the spoiler effect, they should focus on putting forward stronger candidates who can unite their base.
Voting third-party is not an endorsement of Republicans; it’s a demand for better representation and a push for real change.
If the Dem Party fails to inspire its voters, the fault lies with their candidates. Blame them, not the people who choose to vote their conscience.
The point is that this isn’t just about conscientious voting. There is a strategic element to it. That’s the unfortunate reality, and standing on principles alone won’t change it.
Support efforts to abolish the FPTP system to replace it with something like RCV, where you could then in good conscience vote Green first and Dem second. Support efforts at proportional representation to have Green members in the Houses. Support anything thay breaks up the two-party monopoly so that voting for a candidate who truly represents your values no longer becomes a political gamble.
But if you’re saying “I’d rather split the left-wing votes and risk a Trump victory than vote for Harris”, people will rightly call you a Republican muppet, because you’d essentially prefer Trump over Harris.
I’d rather vote for a candidate who truly represents my values than settle for mediocrity just to avoid a Republican win.
Voting based on principles is essential because it challenges the very system that forces voters into choosing the lesser of two evils. Real change begins when we stop accepting the status quo and demand a system where all voices are fairly represented.
Supporting third-party candidates isn’t about splitting the vote—it’s about pushing for the reforms necessary to break the two-party monopoly that limits our democracy.
And no, I’m not a “republican muppet” just because I am not voting for your candidate. If I wanted to vote republican, then I’d vote republican.
If Democrats are so worried about the spoiler effect, they should focus on putting forward stronger candidates who can unite their base.
Voting third-party is not an endorsement of Republicans; it’s a demand for better representation and a push for real change.
If the Dem Party fails to inspire its voters, the fault lies with their candidates. Blame them, not the people who choose to vote their conscience.
Supporting third-party candidates isn’t about splitting the vote
…but that’s the practical effect
—it’s about pushing for the reforms necessary to break the two-party monopoly that limits our democracy
…which you expect to happen, if Trump wins?
And no, I’m not a “republican muppet” just because I am not voting for your candidate. If I wanted to vote republican, then I’d vote republican.
I don’t think you want to vote Republican. I don’t think you want a Republican government. I think you consider it an acceptable alternative to sacrificing principles. And therein lies the issue.
The question at the heart of it all - and try to answer just yes or no - is this:
If the Dem Party fails to inspire its voters, the fault lies with their candidates. Blame them, not the people who choose to vote their conscience.
That’s bullshit. The spoiler effect is a result of the relative position of candidates, not the strength of inspiration.
Total voters: 765
The winner was favorable to 56% of voters
lachlan - 427
emma - 338
Total voters: 765
The winner was favorable to 44% of voters
emma - 338
lachlan - 312
omalley - 115
Any party or candidate can fall victim to this, no matter how strong or inspirational they are. This is simply the result of everybody voting for the candidate closest to them.
Exactly what a Republican would say.
I don’t really know much about that.
For me personally, if I were Republican, I’d say so. And probably vote Trump. But I’m not either of those things.
So were you implying that I personally am a Republican, or just that some republicans may vote Green Party?
You do realize that the majority of my postings are for socialism causes, right? https://lemmy.world/c/socialist
Looks like a Republican engaged in cosplay
Nah, you know if someone wants to be a Republican, they can just be Republican, right? No need to cosplay.
There’s a lot of stuff exactly like what you do designed to trick people into doing things that benefit Republicans
I have every right to share news and opinions about third parties, just as you have the right to share your views.
Disagreeing with my posts doesn’t mean I’m part of some grand conspiracy; it simply means we have different perspectives.
In a democracy, diverse viewpoints are essential to healthy debate, not something to be feared or dismissed.
Exactly the argument a Republican would make
I wouldn’t know, because I’m not a Republican.
Most of my posting history is for Socialist causes, so not sure if you are implying I am a Republican or not.
If so, that would be laughingly disconnected from reality.
You have a 16 day old account created in the midst of an election season filled with propaganda bots.
Your posting history is simply not valid evidence. Your logic sure seems disconnected from reality.
You were shown a simple demonstration of the Spoiler Effect, which may cause Republicans to win the race if a third party manages to draw votes away from Democrats.
You’re still endorsing voting third party, saying you don’t care.
You’re endorsing helping Republicans.
What the other poster is implying isn’t that Republicans may vote Green. On the contrary, it’s that Democrats may vote Green and split their vote, while Republicans will stand united.
At the end of the day, when the votes are counted, your ideology doesn’t matter. Why you voted the way you did doesn’t matter. What matters is who wins the election, and if you’re consciously proposing an election strategy that may aid the Republicans, you’re contributing to their chances of victory.
And if you’re helping Republicans, don’t be surprised if people call you a Republican.
Blaming third-party voters for a potential Republican victory is totally misguided. Lemmy has been crying about this in every post that is about third parties.
If Democrats are so worried about the spoiler effect, they should focus on putting forward stronger candidates who can unite their base.
Voting third-party is not an endorsement of Republicans; it’s a demand for better representation and a push for real change.
If the Dem Party fails to inspire its voters, the fault lies with their candidates. Blame them, not the people who choose to vote their conscience.
So you’d rather have a Republican victory than a mediocre Democrat?
I’d rather vote for a candidate who truly represents my values than settle for mediocrity just to avoid a Republican win.
Accepting “mediocre” candidates only perpetuates a cycle of compromise without real progress.
That’s a yes then.
The point is that this isn’t just about conscientious voting. There is a strategic element to it. That’s the unfortunate reality, and standing on principles alone won’t change it.
Support efforts to abolish the FPTP system to replace it with something like RCV, where you could then in good conscience vote Green first and Dem second. Support efforts at proportional representation to have Green members in the Houses. Support anything thay breaks up the two-party monopoly so that voting for a candidate who truly represents your values no longer becomes a political gamble.
But if you’re saying “I’d rather split the left-wing votes and risk a Trump victory than vote for Harris”, people will rightly call you a Republican muppet, because you’d essentially prefer Trump over Harris.
I’d rather vote for a candidate who truly represents my values than settle for mediocrity just to avoid a Republican win.
Voting based on principles is essential because it challenges the very system that forces voters into choosing the lesser of two evils. Real change begins when we stop accepting the status quo and demand a system where all voices are fairly represented.
Supporting third-party candidates isn’t about splitting the vote—it’s about pushing for the reforms necessary to break the two-party monopoly that limits our democracy.
And no, I’m not a “republican muppet” just because I am not voting for your candidate. If I wanted to vote republican, then I’d vote republican.
If Democrats are so worried about the spoiler effect, they should focus on putting forward stronger candidates who can unite their base.
Voting third-party is not an endorsement of Republicans; it’s a demand for better representation and a push for real change.
If the Dem Party fails to inspire its voters, the fault lies with their candidates. Blame them, not the people who choose to vote their conscience.
You’re repeating yourself.
…but that’s the practical effect
…which you expect to happen, if Trump wins?
I don’t think you want to vote Republican. I don’t think you want a Republican government. I think you consider it an acceptable alternative to sacrificing principles. And therein lies the issue.
The question at the heart of it all - and try to answer just yes or no - is this:
Do you think Trump is preferable to Harris?
“I want republicans to continue to kill environmental regulations, and bring about more climate destruction. But trust me bro, I’m really a leftist”.
That’s bullshit. The spoiler effect is a result of the relative position of candidates, not the strength of inspiration.
Any party or candidate can fall victim to this, no matter how strong or inspirational they are. This is simply the result of everybody voting for the candidate closest to them.