I get that Palestine is trendy but most of us are super complicit in a much larger abuse.
The key difference as far as I can tell is that one would require us to make individual sacrifices while the other involves complicated geopolitics and requires zero personal effort to feel like we are “helping.” Plus, the latter is trendy whereas admitting and talking about how we are morally culpable in one of the worst human rights abuses ever, well, that’s just a buzzkill.
Don’t forget the forced labor and genocide of the Uyghurs, to produce the copious amounts of Chinese goods we consume, so Bezos can ride a dick to space.
Can you really be considered complicit if you’re forced into it? You can’t force consent, why should someone be able to force me to be complicit? Nearly everything we consume has almost certainly touched a slave or sweatshop worker’s hands at some point, and unfortunately most of it is either impossible (because it doesn’t exist) or extremely impractical (too expensive and can’t afford it) to replace with ethical labor.
If sweatshops had hit the Zeitgeist or social media with half the fervor of Palestine (except for the couple of weeks after another factory collapse/fire) we’d see some change.
This nonsense of “I’m too poor to buy ethical” while non ethical nonsense but stupidly priced shit isn’t just common but is shown as aspirational? It just doesn’t fly.
Which is more conscious of being lambasted on social media, the US government or say, businesses whose entire business model revolves around cool young people?
As one friend put it, “capitalism is still the best way of matching human desires with products, we just don’t give a damn how those products are made.”
Total casualties are around 40k according to Hamas themselves, that includes insurgents and civilians. The conflict has been going on for 11 months. That is less than 4k casualties a month during a war in highly dense urban area and that number has been heavily dropping. For that kind of conflict that is rather low.
Yes. Every death is tragic. But there are worse atrocities and disasters happening in the world. The only difference is this one gets all the media attention and people believe it’s much worse than it is because every death is examined under a microscope. Surprise, war is awful. Food prices in Palestine have gone up, not directly because there is a shortage, but because Hamas keeps stealing all the aid that is literally pouring in and forcing the Palestinian people to buy it from them so that they can keep funding their operations.
And yet this gets downvoted or dismissed when it’s pointed out because it doesn’t fit the narrative that every single Palestinian child is getting shot in the head personally by the US president.
I’m just saying, maybe, I don’t know, don’t make it the literal only issue you ever think about or something that stops you from supporting other causes. Recognize that, while of course it’s still something horrible, the main reason it’s being so hyper focused on is that it’s a convenient distraction from other issues.
Climate change? Who cares, what about Palestine?!
Economic issues? Who cares, what about Palestine?!
Women’s rights? Immigration? LGBT rights? Privacy? The rise of fascism? Other wars? Dwindling global resources? Stop talking about all that! None of that matters! Only Palestine matters! Nothing else! Only Palestine!
THAT’S what gets me. There is more going on than JUST Palestine, and while it should absolutely be in the conversation, it’s getting really old when trying to talk about the best overall path forward to have the conversation railroaded with “But what about Palestine?!” when it’s not as dire as headlines and social media makes it out to be. They try to make it seem like millions are dying in the streets when thats just not the case.
Imagine you were in a car crash. Cracked head, punctured lung, multiple fractures. The doctors are trying to figure out the best way to go about treating you, but one person in the room won’t stop screaming “Their arm is broken! We have to fix their broken arm!” It’s not that they’re wrong, it’s just they are hyper-fixated on a single injury when they need to be focused on the whole.
The conflict on Palestine is AN issue, but not THE ONLY issue.
Eh. Have you been around Lemmy much…? If there ever was a single issue voter, it’s Lemmy. And to be clear: what is happening in Palestine is horrible. I just get the sense that Lemmy users-at least the ones that are so vocal about Palestine- don’t actually want a solution.
I got into arguments where even the concept of a ceasefire was unwelcome. That’s right: I got push back for encouraging work towards a ceasefire because apparently it wasn’t enough.
You know, stopping the bombing that is actually hurting the Palestinians?
Are we talking about the kids who make our clothes, mine the minerals for our phones or harvest the cocoa for our Halloween candy?
Probably the ones that are mysteriously just up and dying en masse in Palestine
http://www.worldvision.ca/stories/child-protection/child-labour-facts-and-how-to-help
I get that Palestine is trendy but most of us are super complicit in a much larger abuse.
The key difference as far as I can tell is that one would require us to make individual sacrifices while the other involves complicated geopolitics and requires zero personal effort to feel like we are “helping.” Plus, the latter is trendy whereas admitting and talking about how we are morally culpable in one of the worst human rights abuses ever, well, that’s just a buzzkill.
Don’t forget the forced labor and genocide of the Uyghurs, to produce the copious amounts of Chinese goods we consume, so Bezos can ride a dick to space.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/against-their-will-the-situation-in-xinjiang
Can you really be considered complicit if you’re forced into it? You can’t force consent, why should someone be able to force me to be complicit? Nearly everything we consume has almost certainly touched a slave or sweatshop worker’s hands at some point, and unfortunately most of it is either impossible (because it doesn’t exist) or extremely impractical (too expensive and can’t afford it) to replace with ethical labor.
Ehhhhhh, I don’t really buy these arguments.
If sweatshops had hit the Zeitgeist or social media with half the fervor of Palestine (except for the couple of weeks after another factory collapse/fire) we’d see some change.
This nonsense of “I’m too poor to buy ethical” while non ethical nonsense but stupidly priced shit isn’t just common but is shown as aspirational? It just doesn’t fly.
Which is more conscious of being lambasted on social media, the US government or say, businesses whose entire business model revolves around cool young people?
As one friend put it, “capitalism is still the best way of matching human desires with products, we just don’t give a damn how those products are made.”
That was a very important hamas commander I’ll have you know
Total casualties are around 40k according to Hamas themselves, that includes insurgents and civilians. The conflict has been going on for 11 months. That is less than 4k casualties a month during a war in highly dense urban area and that number has been heavily dropping. For that kind of conflict that is rather low.
Yes. Every death is tragic. But there are worse atrocities and disasters happening in the world. The only difference is this one gets all the media attention and people believe it’s much worse than it is because every death is examined under a microscope. Surprise, war is awful. Food prices in Palestine have gone up, not directly because there is a shortage, but because Hamas keeps stealing all the aid that is literally pouring in and forcing the Palestinian people to buy it from them so that they can keep funding their operations.
And yet this gets downvoted or dismissed when it’s pointed out because it doesn’t fit the narrative that every single Palestinian child is getting shot in the head personally by the US president.
Oh, I guess it’s fine as long as it could be worse.
I’m just saying, maybe, I don’t know, don’t make it the literal only issue you ever think about or something that stops you from supporting other causes. Recognize that, while of course it’s still something horrible, the main reason it’s being so hyper focused on is that it’s a convenient distraction from other issues.
Climate change? Who cares, what about Palestine?!
Economic issues? Who cares, what about Palestine?!
Women’s rights? Immigration? LGBT rights? Privacy? The rise of fascism? Other wars? Dwindling global resources? Stop talking about all that! None of that matters! Only Palestine matters! Nothing else! Only Palestine!
THAT’S what gets me. There is more going on than JUST Palestine, and while it should absolutely be in the conversation, it’s getting really old when trying to talk about the best overall path forward to have the conversation railroaded with “But what about Palestine?!” when it’s not as dire as headlines and social media makes it out to be. They try to make it seem like millions are dying in the streets when thats just not the case.
Imagine you were in a car crash. Cracked head, punctured lung, multiple fractures. The doctors are trying to figure out the best way to go about treating you, but one person in the room won’t stop screaming “Their arm is broken! We have to fix their broken arm!” It’s not that they’re wrong, it’s just they are hyper-fixated on a single injury when they need to be focused on the whole.
The conflict on Palestine is AN issue, but not THE ONLY issue.
Nobody said it was the only issue, you silly goose.
Eh. Have you been around Lemmy much…? If there ever was a single issue voter, it’s Lemmy. And to be clear: what is happening in Palestine is horrible. I just get the sense that Lemmy users-at least the ones that are so vocal about Palestine- don’t actually want a solution.
I got into arguments where even the concept of a ceasefire was unwelcome. That’s right: I got push back for encouraging work towards a ceasefire because apparently it wasn’t enough.
You know, stopping the bombing that is actually hurting the Palestinians?
All the above