• atro_city
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    873 months ago

    Also, *gestures wildly around themself* look at the state the world is in. Which sane person would want to bring a child into this fucked up world?

    • @9point6
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      233 months ago

      Well, you and similar people know the world is fucked up, but there’s a lot more people out there swimming in the ignorance of simply believing everything is fine or that the people raising problems are catastrophising and that everything will somehow work out.

      Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid’s life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.

      There’s just a percentage of society who simply don’t put in much thought beyond their immediate existence and future. That’s almost definitely bad in the grand scheme of things, but I guess on the flip side, they potentially live happier lives in ignorance before getting blipped out of existence.

      • @[email protected]
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        33 months ago

        I mean, 50% of humanity doesn’t have an inner monologue- they’re essentially just moving from one impulse to another.

        Half of everyone. There’s no chance for this species without radical change.

        • Wereduck
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          Don’t confuse lack of an inner monologue with not thinking or not thinking critically. I lack a monologue when not doing verbal tasks, but I think visually/spacially/relationally instead for other tasks or when in rest or in the experience of my own consciousness. I pinky swear I’m not a philosophical zombie during that time:)

          • @[email protected]
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            13 months ago

            I still think there’s no help for humanity without radical change, lol.

            We’re socially still cave-people, just with advanced technology. Technology that is increasingly a mystery even to its Users.

            Ultimately, our species is more likely to fall back on our tribalism and devolve into religious ravings than to endure to something more enlightened.

        • @frostmore
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          33 months ago

          What’s the deal with inner monologue??

          i have 1 until i learnt not everyone has one. what impact are there if one doesn’t have an inner monologue or voice in their heads…sans the schizophrenics

        • @9point6
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          23 months ago

          If you’re talking about aphantasia that’s less than 5% of the population, not half

        • @[email protected]
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          xkcd - Idiocracy

          For god’s sake – people who don’t hear their own voice in their own head are “just moving from one impulse to another”? People require an inner monologue, as opposed to seeing things in their imagination or what have you, in order to be capable of conscious thought? Are we seriously at the point where we’re saying “anyone who doesn’t experience the world the same way I do is no better than an animal”?

    • @Maalus
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      -213 months ago

      A lot of people that aren’t doomers.

      • atro_city
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        223 months ago

        I don’t own a house with fortified bunker and a literal ton of food. Can’t buy a house to begin with. Being a doomer is for the rich.

        • @Maalus
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          Why do you need a house, a bunker? Being a doomer is being pessimistic about global problems, not prepping for the apocalypse.

          • atro_city
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            213 months ago

            Ah, indeed. I was mixing up doomer with prepper. Regardless, you don’t have to be a doomer to think the world is shit. You can be hopeful that things will change, but not want to submit an innocent person on pure hope that things will improve.

            • @Maalus
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              The “innocent person on pure hope that things will improve” is 100% doomerism.

              I live in a box of 6 flats. 4 of the people have kids, the other guy is renting to have a place to come back to when they return from working abroad. All of the flats at 40m2, people earning a fraction of a salary people in the US do, when the cost of living is maybe 80% of the US. Yet nobody is starving, the kids have a great life, parents are happy. Life goes on as it always has, with couples marrying, having kids, growing old together. This isn’t something that’s somehow unique to here, happens everywhere.

              If you want kids, you can get them, support them and give them a bright future. If you don’t want them, fine, just don’t say you can’t have children because the world sucks.

      • @stoly
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        23 months ago

        lol ok. You’re looking at everything and then arguing that the people who notice things are bad.