Winn always made my skin crawl!

  • Flying SquidM
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    111 hours ago

    I did. And the CG is not my problem with that movie. The plot and the characters and the dialogue are my problem with that movie. If a movie is good but the effects aren’t, I’m fine with it. I don’t generally watch movies just because they look cool.

    • @InverseParallax
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      13 hours ago

      Compare the writing of the PT with the writing of most generic scifi in the 90s, it’s not worse.

      We didn’t have the well-written scifi till the 2000s really, in the middle we had stuff like the matrix sequels. We had some Phillip K. Dick in the 80s and 90s too.

      You’re comparing everything to the OT, yeah that was an epic classic, but also unprecedented (literally invented the blockbuster scifi genre), and there wasn’t really anything close to their level afterwards, which is why TPM was such a huge event in 99.

      • Flying SquidM
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        13 hours ago

        Absolute nonsense. I can name tons of better-written science fiction films from the 1990s:

        Dark City, The Matrix, Contact, Starship Troopers, Galaxy Quest, 12 Monkeys, Gattaca, Tremors, The Iron Giant, Cube, both Star Trek VI and Star Trek: First Contact. I can list more.

        And the writing in the original trilogy isn’t exactly amazing either.

        • @InverseParallax
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          12 hours ago

          Contact, Starship Troopers,

          written in the 1960s IIRC.

          Gattaca

          Seems partly inspired by Brave New World in the era of genetic sequencing.

          Those were incredible Treks though (TUC is my favorite by far). Still, Trek wasn’t really mainstream at this point, definitely not a blockbuster, even though First Contact probably broke the threshold.

          I honestly haven’t seen Dark City yet, never got around to it. The Matrix was part of the change and came out the same year, my point was we’d had a major drought till then. I’m arguing we went from a time of dearth to a time of plenty, and then walked face first into the MCU which recently imploded.

          • Flying SquidM
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            12 hours ago

            You’re being ridiculous. The novels were written then.

            Do you think they just put the novels into a screenplay machine and it came out the other end with a movie script?

            Or do you think every movie adaptation of a novel is a well-written movie?

            Anyway, since that’s not enough for you, I’ll keep going with well-written science fiction films of the 90s with much better writing than any Star Wars film George Lucas ever made:

            Back to the Future III

            Darkman

            Edward Scissorhands

            Total Recall

            The Rocketeer

            Terminator 2

            Jurassic Park

            The City of Lost Children

            Six-String Samurai

            The Handmaid’s Tale

            Tank Girl

            The Fifth Element

            Primer

            The Truman Show

            Bicentennial Man

            Predator 2

            Delicatessen

            Gremlins 2: The New Batch

            Men in Black

            I’d even put Stargate above The Phantom Menace in terms of writing. Also, not one of those movies had a long and pointless sci-fi version of a NASCAR race in the middle of it.