Winn always made my skin crawl!

  • @InverseParallax
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    12 hours ago

    Compare the writing of the PT with the writing of most generic scifi in the 90s, it’s not worse.

    We didn’t have the well-written scifi till the 2000s really, in the middle we had stuff like the matrix sequels. We had some Phillip K. Dick in the 80s and 90s too.

    You’re comparing everything to the OT, yeah that was an epic classic, but also unprecedented (literally invented the blockbuster scifi genre), and there wasn’t really anything close to their level afterwards, which is why TPM was such a huge event in 99.

    • Flying SquidM
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      Absolute nonsense. I can name tons of better-written science fiction films from the 1990s:

      Dark City, The Matrix, Contact, Starship Troopers, Galaxy Quest, 12 Monkeys, Gattaca, Tremors, The Iron Giant, Cube, both Star Trek VI and Star Trek: First Contact. I can list more.

      And the writing in the original trilogy isn’t exactly amazing either.

      • @InverseParallax
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        12 hours ago

        Contact, Starship Troopers,

        written in the 1960s IIRC.

        Gattaca

        Seems partly inspired by Brave New World in the era of genetic sequencing.

        Those were incredible Treks though (TUC is my favorite by far). Still, Trek wasn’t really mainstream at this point, definitely not a blockbuster, even though First Contact probably broke the threshold.

        I honestly haven’t seen Dark City yet, never got around to it. The Matrix was part of the change and came out the same year, my point was we’d had a major drought till then. I’m arguing we went from a time of dearth to a time of plenty, and then walked face first into the MCU which recently imploded.

        • Flying SquidM
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          You’re being ridiculous. The novels were written then.

          Do you think they just put the novels into a screenplay machine and it came out the other end with a movie script?

          Or do you think every movie adaptation of a novel is a well-written movie?

          Anyway, since that’s not enough for you, I’ll keep going with well-written science fiction films of the 90s with much better writing than any Star Wars film George Lucas ever made:

          Back to the Future III

          Darkman

          Edward Scissorhands

          Total Recall

          The Rocketeer

          Terminator 2

          Jurassic Park

          The City of Lost Children

          Six-String Samurai

          The Handmaid’s Tale

          Tank Girl

          The Fifth Element

          Primer

          The Truman Show

          Bicentennial Man

          Predator 2

          Delicatessen

          Gremlins 2: The New Batch

          Men in Black

          I’d even put Stargate above The Phantom Menace in terms of writing. Also, not one of those movies had a long and pointless sci-fi version of a NASCAR race in the middle of it.