Not to sound like an asshole and not calling you out specifically, but I find it incredibly ridiculous and frustrating that Americans are so confused and ignorant about Puerto Rico.
Edit: thanks RapidCreek for proving my point so well.
I wouldn’t find it too ridiculous. After all, most people in the US haven’t traveled outside it’s borders and the concept of other countries is just not something they encounter.
Interesting subject. The US has many agreements with separate countries on travel. But, if you are traveling to another Caribbean island, and go through San Jaun for a connecting flight, you will be asked for your passport there as well as in Miami, or other US end point. Why? Because Puerto Rico has its own passport control, not US. Same is true of Canada, BTW.
All states have their own passport control for international travelers.
I’ve been to Puerto Rico several times, and I’ve never used a passport to go there or come back.
-U.S. citizens do not need a passport to travel between the U.S. and these territories:
-Guam
-Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands
-Puerto Rico
-U.S. Virgin Islands
Slightly older data, but almost assuredly worse or unchanged considering the shifts in economic prosperity and demographics post covid:
Eleven percent of survey respondents have never traveled outside of the state where they were born.
Over half of those surveyed (54 percent) say they’ve visited 10 states or fewer.
As many as 13 percent say they have never flown in an airplane.
Forty percent of those questioned said they’ve never left the country.
Over half of respondents have never owned a passport. (For years U.S. citizens did not need one to travel to Mexico, Canada and on many cruises, which may clarify the previous stat.)
The ignorance in this instance, is in-fact, your ignorance, not Rapidcreek’s. You clearly have a misconception about how well-traveled or worldly US citizens are. In-fact, US citizens are shockingly poorly traveled within their own borders.
So rapidcreeks’:
I wouldn’t find it too ridiculous. After all, most people in the US haven’t traveled (…)
shows they know more about the context of this situation than you do, and they are offering a plausible explanation to contain your exacerbation.
And this response:
No, it is ridiculous. Quit excusing the willful ignorance.
Is really just inflammatory and not based in fact. Also you missed their very subtle joke.
Lol, so I’m ignorant for pointing out the ignorance of Americans? Just because they aren’t well traveled doesn’t excuse people from being ignorant of facts, especially those involving their own country and surrounding territories. It’s as sad as Americans not knowing US history, which ironically Puerto Rico is a part of. Nice try, though.
Well ignorance is the state of “not knowing”. So yeah. You were/ are the ignorant one in that exchange. It might make you uncomfortable, but your “not knowing” in that exchange does make you the ignorant one. No amount of downvotes or upvotes changes that.
And to be clear, in your second response, you weren’t identifying the ignorance of Americans, you were blaming them for it. Then, when you could have just engaged with what Rapidcreek said, and instead you became accusatory and inflammatory. Which actually lines up well with the sentiment of the prior statement you made where you blamed Americans for their ignorance. The reality of travel is that its a privilege, and that even those who haven’t traveled desire to (which you would know if you had done something to resolve your ignorance), but that there are structural economic and political barriers for many US citizens to be able to do so. Many Americans want to travel, but they can’t afford to, or because of the structure of their lives, they can’t find the time to.
So I agree with what Rapidcreek said. I think you need a vacation.
No ones calling it a state. You’re calling the island a country it is not a country not any more it is an American territory. Are they taxed without representation? Like Dc? Is dc a country?
Most certainly not a state, and has its own government. It’s a separate country.
Okay, you’ve shown that the first part of your statement is correct (that NO ONE has contested). Explain how PR is a separate country, as you have asserted. Or you can just say you were wrong. It’s okay.
Bruh I’m not gonna keep going with you. the link talks about Puerto Ricans voting for kamala. You’re talking about people that live on the the island voting. Not the same step up your critical thinking
All states and territories have their own local government. They still operate under the US federal government. Your stubborn ignorance doesn’t make Puerto Rico another country.
Puerto Ricans are United States citizens, they use United States dollar as a currency, they pay United States taxes, and they have a representative in Congress.
It’s not a state. It’s not a territory. To be so, it would need congressional approval. It is a separate country of US citizens. And not the only one. Sorry, if this reality doesn’t conform with your imagination
Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States and Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens; however, Puerto Rico is not a U.S. state, but a U.S. insular area
I’m not American or weighing in on this, but I don’t think country is a legal term nor mutually exclusive with being a territory. England is a country despite being governed by the UK. Greenland is the same.
A country is a distinct part of the world, such as a state, nation, or other political entity. When referring to a specific polity, the term “country” may refer to a sovereign state, states with limited recognition, constituent country, or a dependent territory.[1][2][3][4] Most sovereign states, but not all countries, are members of the United Nations.[5] There is no universal agreement on the number of “countries” in the world since several states have disputed sovereignty status, limited recognition and a number of non-sovereign entities are commonly considered countries.[6][5]
The definition and usage of the word “country” are flexible and have changed over time. The Economist wrote in 2010 that “any attempt to find a clear definition of a country soon runs into a thicket of exceptions and anomalies.”[7]
Again, I am not making a claim about whether PR is a country specifically, just that being a territory does not disqualify it.
As a sovereign nation, we can define our own legal terms.
I also find it somewhat amusing that someone from outside of this country with professed knowledge or expertise such as you do. It’s mostly losing because you’re wrong.
I did, yet it didn’t force me to start hallucinating that Puerto Rico is not part of the US. It’s almost as if I saw the facts rather than what I wished to to confirm my own biases.
Not to sound like an asshole and not calling you out specifically, but I find it incredibly ridiculous and frustrating that Americans are so confused and ignorant about Puerto Rico.
Edit: thanks RapidCreek for proving my point so well.
I wouldn’t find it too ridiculous. After all, most people in the US haven’t traveled outside it’s borders and the concept of other countries is just not something they encounter.
The fact that Puerto Rico isn’t even outside US borders is what makes this ridiculous
Yes, in fact it is outside US borders. It’s not a US state. It’s a protectorate, like the US Virgin Islands, and has its own government
All states and Commonwealth in the United States have their own government.
True, but you don’t need a passport to go there. To your average American it’s as much outside the US as Hawaii.
Interesting subject. The US has many agreements with separate countries on travel. But, if you are traveling to another Caribbean island, and go through San Jaun for a connecting flight, you will be asked for your passport there as well as in Miami, or other US end point. Why? Because Puerto Rico has its own passport control, not US. Same is true of Canada, BTW.
All states have their own passport control for international travelers.
I’ve been to Puerto Rico several times, and I’ve never used a passport to go there or come back.
https://www.usa.gov/visit-territories
That’s true because Puerto Rico has a reciprocal agreement with Puerto Rico, just like Canada.
Through all of these comments, it’s really interesting to watch you constantly reshape your delusion To combat evidence that you’re wrong.
Are you just so egotistical that you can’t admit you’re wrong?
No, it is ridiculous. Quit excusing the willful ignorance.
I think you need a vacation.
I need a vacation for pointing out your ignorance? Great argument you got there, champ.
Its actually not their ignorance… its yours.
Slightly older data, but almost assuredly worse or unchanged considering the shifts in economic prosperity and demographics post covid:
The ignorance in this instance, is in-fact, your ignorance, not Rapidcreek’s. You clearly have a misconception about how well-traveled or worldly US citizens are. In-fact, US citizens are shockingly poorly traveled within their own borders.
So rapidcreeks’:
shows they know more about the context of this situation than you do, and they are offering a plausible explanation to contain your exacerbation.
And this response:
Is really just inflammatory and not based in fact. Also you missed their very subtle joke.
Lol, so I’m ignorant for pointing out the ignorance of Americans? Just because they aren’t well traveled doesn’t excuse people from being ignorant of facts, especially those involving their own country and surrounding territories. It’s as sad as Americans not knowing US history, which ironically Puerto Rico is a part of. Nice try, though.
Well ignorance is the state of “not knowing”. So yeah. You were/ are the ignorant one in that exchange. It might make you uncomfortable, but your “not knowing” in that exchange does make you the ignorant one. No amount of downvotes or upvotes changes that.
And to be clear, in your second response, you weren’t identifying the ignorance of Americans, you were blaming them for it. Then, when you could have just engaged with what Rapidcreek said, and instead you became accusatory and inflammatory. Which actually lines up well with the sentiment of the prior statement you made where you blamed Americans for their ignorance. The reality of travel is that its a privilege, and that even those who haven’t traveled desire to (which you would know if you had done something to resolve your ignorance), but that there are structural economic and political barriers for many US citizens to be able to do so. Many Americans want to travel, but they can’t afford to, or because of the structure of their lives, they can’t find the time to.
So I agree with what Rapidcreek said. I think you need a vacation.
Again, just because you can’t travel doesn’t mean you can’t educate yourself on matters. Quit excusing ignorance, champ.
Puerto Rico is part of the United States. It is not another country.
Most certainly not a state, and has its own government. It’s a separate country.
With all due respect you don’t know what you’re talking about
Source: am Puerto Rican
Is Puerto Rico a state? Has the US made it 51?
No ones calling it a state. You’re calling the island a country it is not a country not any more it is an American territory. Are they taxed without representation? Like Dc? Is dc a country?
So, not a state, not a territory.
Does Puerto Rico have elections to form a government?
Okay, you’ve shown that the first part of your statement is correct (that NO ONE has contested). Explain how PR is a separate country, as you have asserted. Or you can just say you were wrong. It’s okay.
Bruh I’m not gonna keep going with you. the link talks about Puerto Ricans voting for kamala. You’re talking about people that live on the the island voting. Not the same step up your critical thinking
The Supreme Court of the United States of America would disagree with you.
It’s not a territory unless Congress makes it so. When did that happen? Never.
Foraker Act
Your stubborn ignorance does not make you right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_area
It’s just proves what everyone here has been telling you. That you’re wrong.
I’m sorry for your mental health struggles. Best of luck to you with that.
All states and territories have their own local government. They still operate under the US federal government. Your stubborn ignorance doesn’t make Puerto Rico another country.
Puerto Ricans are United States citizens, they use United States dollar as a currency, they pay United States taxes, and they have a representative in Congress.
It’s not a state. It’s not a territory. To be so, it would need congressional approval. It is a separate country of US citizens. And not the only one. Sorry, if this reality doesn’t conform with your imagination
Your hallucinations do not comport with reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Puerto_Rico
I’m not American or weighing in on this, but I don’t think country is a legal term nor mutually exclusive with being a territory. England is a country despite being governed by the UK. Greenland is the same.
If we look at the wiki for Country
Again, I am not making a claim about whether PR is a country specifically, just that being a territory does not disqualify it.
As a sovereign nation, we can define our own legal terms.
I also find it somewhat amusing that someone from outside of this country with professed knowledge or expertise such as you do. It’s mostly losing because you’re wrong.
Did you read that?
I did, yet it didn’t force me to start hallucinating that Puerto Rico is not part of the US. It’s almost as if I saw the facts rather than what I wished to to confirm my own biases.