I highly recommend you swap out subjective moral reasoning for utility. You’ve already convinced yourself that it is morally right that we all go to the death camps. But it’s not useful. There’s a chance we do something that’s useful between now and the death camps, but not if we care about being decent people more than we care about people.
please take a deep breath homie. none of the things you are saying about me are true and it’s deeply misgiving how you are forcing some kind of made up characterization on me with no evidence. i’m gonna disengage now out of genuine concern i hope you can find some rest. it’s fucked out there ❤️
As someone who disagreed with the poster originally, you’re the one not thinking in terms of utility. We can accept help from neoliberals, but they are the people who brought us here. We needed left wing populism, but the Dems wouldn’t give it to us. They played by the book that got us fascism in the first place. The rich are responsible, and their enablers need to stfu. It’s time for bold action, not denial.
If any neoliberal can’t get on board that neoliberalism is dead, then obviously they are no use to us. But they are an easier pool of people to convince than the fascists who want to kill us. And if the Democratic Party still exists in future elections and there somehow are future elections, both seem unlikely, it’s still worth voting for them because it gives us time to get a populist campaign off the ground assuming there isn’t already one that’s ready to go. edit: typo
You misunderstand current Trump voters. They were who we needed to sway. The neolibs are a tiny block compared to the disengaged poor people Trump reached. Neolibs must be pushed aside. They weren’t who we target for socialism. We must target the poor who lost faith in the system and leave the system behind. They’ll be more open than neolibs once they feel things are worse under Trump.
I’m talking about Democrat voters or low information Republican voters who somehow aren’t in a right-wing information silo. Trump voters, who have been watching Fox News and similar programs, have been brained washed for decades. They need mandated cult deprogramming at this point with help from specialists.
What we need to overcome is so widespread and ubiquitous that even people who aren’t particularly politically engaged have the idea in their head. Bring up socialism to people, and they reflexively say ‘socialism doesn’t work’. Maybe they give a passing reference to the Soviet Union. If a person believes their society’s institutions are infallible and that they are at the end of history it’s hard for them to understand we need systemic change and wealth redistribution.
Neoliberalism needs to be fully internalized as a scam so people can look for other answers to their problems like socialism. The only changes that neoliberals are able to accept are changing the people who are in charge of institutions. It’s why fascists are able to appeal to them where socialists and even progressives struggle. The fascists only have to make the leap from changing the people in our institutions to changing the people in our society, primarily by getting rid of them. edit: typos
I highly recommend you swap out subjective moral reasoning for utility. You’ve already convinced yourself that it is morally right that we all go to the death camps. But it’s not useful. There’s a chance we do something that’s useful between now and the death camps, but not if we care about being decent people more than we care about people.
please take a deep breath homie. none of the things you are saying about me are true and it’s deeply misgiving how you are forcing some kind of made up characterization on me with no evidence. i’m gonna disengage now out of genuine concern i hope you can find some rest. it’s fucked out there ❤️
As someone who disagreed with the poster originally, you’re the one not thinking in terms of utility. We can accept help from neoliberals, but they are the people who brought us here. We needed left wing populism, but the Dems wouldn’t give it to us. They played by the book that got us fascism in the first place. The rich are responsible, and their enablers need to stfu. It’s time for bold action, not denial.
If any neoliberal can’t get on board that neoliberalism is dead, then obviously they are no use to us. But they are an easier pool of people to convince than the fascists who want to kill us. And if the Democratic Party still exists in future elections and there somehow are future elections, both seem unlikely, it’s still worth voting for them because it gives us time to get a populist campaign off the ground assuming there isn’t already one that’s ready to go. edit: typo
You misunderstand current Trump voters. They were who we needed to sway. The neolibs are a tiny block compared to the disengaged poor people Trump reached. Neolibs must be pushed aside. They weren’t who we target for socialism. We must target the poor who lost faith in the system and leave the system behind. They’ll be more open than neolibs once they feel things are worse under Trump.
I’m talking about Democrat voters or low information Republican voters who somehow aren’t in a right-wing information silo. Trump voters, who have been watching Fox News and similar programs, have been brained washed for decades. They need mandated cult deprogramming at this point with help from specialists.
What we need to overcome is so widespread and ubiquitous that even people who aren’t particularly politically engaged have the idea in their head. Bring up socialism to people, and they reflexively say ‘socialism doesn’t work’. Maybe they give a passing reference to the Soviet Union. If a person believes their society’s institutions are infallible and that they are at the end of history it’s hard for them to understand we need systemic change and wealth redistribution.
Neoliberalism needs to be fully internalized as a scam so people can look for other answers to their problems like socialism. The only changes that neoliberals are able to accept are changing the people who are in charge of institutions. It’s why fascists are able to appeal to them where socialists and even progressives struggle. The fascists only have to make the leap from changing the people in our institutions to changing the people in our society, primarily by getting rid of them. edit: typos