• @blazera
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      Right, that includes Trump. Its been a democrat funding and supporting this genocide the entire time. You hypocrites cant use these deaths to fuckin support democrats.

      • skye
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        147 hours ago

        because Donald “I will let Netyanahu finish the job” Trump is somehow better for this. Get your head out of your ass lol

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          I agree that Donald Trump is much worse for the situation in Palestine and that it was a mistake for anybody to sit out because of what’s happening. But I think it also needs to be said that the Democrats didn’t really offer any alternative besides plausible deniability, and so it seems strange to me to pin the responsibility on the disengaged

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          He’s been finishing the job just fine under Biden. I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t honestly see what the difference is(in this particular issue). There was a time where wholesale annihilation and annexation was unacceptable but since that’s cool can you point me to where exactly you think the Dems red line exists? Because it certainly seems to be beyond the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

          • skye
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            25 hours ago

            The difference is that Biden has not once come out to say “i will help neyyanahu flatten Gaza” and from what I’ve read has been criticising him (to the best of his old man abilities).

            It sucks that U.S. kept sending weapons to Israel for one reason or another, but the key difference here is that with a democratic president you had a higher chance of getting thru.

            Good luck getting Trump to listen to anything at all. And I guess good job for letting Trump take the president seat, not only will he help flatten Gaza (which Biden seemingly was doing anyway), but will also flatten women’s rights in the U.S., will flatten healthcare and education, will flatten any climate change progress, and will let Russia flatten Ukraine. An astounding failure for the entire world, just because your only issue was “b-but think of Gaza!”

            I hope you’re happy with your moral high ground because you decided to not vote for Genocide Kamala and instead let Destroy Everyone Trump win.

            • @blazera
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              13 hours ago

              I hope you’re happy with your moral high ground because you decided to not vote for Genocide Kamala

              There have been such astounding things said with a straight face this year.

            • ✺roguetrick✺
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              To the best of his abilities my ass. Reflexively excusing his continued total support for Israel even after the election is delusional. It’s pretty obvious that you had no chance of getting any different result from a Democrat on this issue than a Republican.

              And getting mad at me about it is kind of pointless, as I live in Maryland’s sixth and my vote for a Democrat house member is the only national vote that mattered (and in this case it really did matter). Despite that I did end up voting for Harris. Maybe you should get mad at the Dems morally bankrupt leadership instead of me.

              • skye
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                12 hours ago

                I will get mad at the 15 million stay-at-home non-voters due to a single-issue before i consider getting mad at the Dems for not caressing these people on their single-issue.

                I will get mad at the 15 million who never learned of the phrase “Lesser of two evils”, who thought that by not voting they are making some sort of brave statement on morals.

                Suck it up, there were 2 choices: Genocide, with high chance of progress away from Genocide Genocide with bonus destruction, and no chance of steering away from any of it

                It’s literally the trolley problem, and people that didn’t vote just didn’t pull the lever and have let mass destruction happen.

                • ✺roguetrick✺
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                  Your continued apologizing for genocide as the lesser of two evils after the election is as morally bankrupt as the Dem leadership that tried to sacrifice gazan lives for the Republican vote. And look at how well that worked out for them.

                  • skye
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                    I am not apologizing genocide, I am simply criticising people that voted for Genocide + More by not going to vote at all.

                    The morally right choice was to reduce harm as much as possible, and that was only viable if voting with Kamala. By otherwise not voting or going independent (In a place like U.S. where an independent vote is basically a waste), you’re just letting the fascism push more.

                    But again, these people can at least sleep easier at night knowing they didn’t vote for anyone doing genocide. They simply facilitated genocide + everything bad to seep through and win.

                    Trying to only blame the dems for the civic duty failure of 15 million people is insane in my opinion. In other countries you just vote with the candidate you like the most, even if they won’t see eye to eye with you on some issues, it’s not some “oh I will only vote if these candidates win me over!”. You either vote because you agree with someone ideologically, or you vote because there’s Hitler on the ballot and Jesus Christ you do not want Hitler to win, even if the candidate you voted for will only give Israel more weapons. Otherwise you let Hitler win and now there are two genocides occuring instead of just one.

        • @blazera
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          Take a minute to read that headline again. You got Trump for this now, because you insisted to everyone to accept that headline, those deaths, that ‘better than this’ just isnt an option. You wouldnt permit people that care about life, that oppose genocide somewhere else to go. So they went nowhere, because genocide is not an option.

          • @krashmo
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            And yet accelerated genocide is the option that was chosen.

            Look, I get the argument you’re making. The problem is that it hinges entirely on accepting a premise that isn’t based in reality. Progress, specifically as it relates to harm reduction, doesn’t happen instantaneously. It never has. You take the wins you can get and then push for the next step. You can be mad about that, and I would argue that we all should be, but it’s not going to change the way things work. In this case you’ve let idealism get in the way of actual tangible improvement. Even if you disagree with that characterization you can’t dispute the fact that you’ve at least helped shut the door on the potential for improvement. If you can find a way to rationalize that in your head to make you feel like the good guy then I understand why you would want to take that path, but do you honestly believe the people of Gaza take solace in the fact that you had good intentions? I’d wager they don’t give a shit how you frame this in your mind. They’re just thinking about what a Trump presidency means for the future of this conflict and that isn’t good by any stretch of the imagination.

            • @blazera
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              This is deranged. Progress? Improvement? What did Kamala say she would do differently? Did she say she’d stop sending weapons and financial assistance?

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                Netanyahu was filibustering the peace process hoping for Trump to win while he ran out the clock. If he, like Putin, were forced to deal with Harris instead of Trump over the next four years his attitude would’ve changed after the results were announced.

                • @blazera
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                  Filibuster? Man that asshole doesnt have a filibuster, he has absolutely zero authority over whether or not we send him weapons and financial assistance.

                  Why would his attitude have to change with Harris vs his current attitude with Biden? Did she say she was gonna stop sending weapons and money? She was pretty adamant about being a continuation of Biden as far as I saw

                  • @aesthelete
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                    13 hours ago

                    Why would his attitude have to change with Harris vs his current attitude with Biden?

                    Because Biden and Harris and various other Democrats wanted peace and were genuinely concerned about the people in the region caught up in the conflict. Trump gives absolutely no shits about any of it and neither do Republicans who will allocate the funds because that’s how our government works.

          • @[email protected]
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            46 hours ago

            Yes it is. It’s the one you got. Congrats on maintaining your ideological purity. It’s going to be quite a show.

            • @blazera
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              I dont know what ‘yes it is’ is in response to.

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              The ideological purity of

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              Not supporting genocide

              Thanks we will take it.

              • @InverseParallax
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                Thanks we will take it.

                Which got you

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                More genocide.

                • @blazera
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                  It was more genocide with Kamala. Genocide is not an option.

                  • @InverseParallax
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                    Dude, you just have problems.

                    Enjoy your super-genocide.

                • @IndustryStandard
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                  Also not endorsed by people with the red line.

                  The genocide thing really is not the gotcha you think it is.

          • skye
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            Your bloody avoidance for voting anyone has led not only to Gaza getting flattened, but also women’s rights, lgbt rights, any form of medical care, Ukraine, and the climate.

            The blood is on your fucking hands now. At least Kamala would have seen reason and you could probably have talked to her/her party about Israel.

            Good luck with fucking ignorant Trump, who won’t even listen when a woman says no to him.

            But thank God you didn’t vote for anyone doing genocide! I will feel so relieved you did that when Russia has a border with my fucking country

            • @blazera
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              03 hours ago

              You are describing things that have already happened, are current events, all under democrats, and them promising more of the same.

              I did vote, for the candidate that opposes the genocide.

              • skye
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                Since when are democrats the ones pushing abortion bans? Since when are they the ones wanting to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord? Since when are blue states the ones banning books that contain any mention of queer people?

                From my knowledge blue states have been doing anything but those things. It’s red states that are doing all sorts of shady shit, and it’s Trump literally saying he will: -Withdraw the U.S. from the Climate Accord -Appoint RFK as head of medicine -Get rid of education department -Withdraw spending in Ukraine and talk to his lover Putin -Increase tariffs on EU which in turn will just hurt U.S. economy

                you can blabber all day about how democrats are doing X Y Z wrong, but Trump is doing all of that PLUS more and way worse. No one likes this man, not even his own party members.

                But I guess the best way to deal with a truck about to hit you is to close your eyes and hope for the best

                • @blazera
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                  Roe got overturned. Climate change is continuing to accelerate and democrats did a lot to make that happen, thats a long discussion though.

                  close your eyes and hope for the best

                  Again, I voted. I dont care that you think that a vote for a progressive candidate doesnt count, i took action.