Anyone who sits here and claims that they were going to vote for Harris, but Liz Cheney showing up with her one time was just a bridge too far to the point where they were willing to let Trump return to power never had an intent of voting for Harris in the first place.
But dick cheney is a pretty massive weight, especially when the camel is running over the left.
The logic just doesn’t make even the least bit of sense.
What you’re telling me is that people were planning on voting for Harris. They liked Harris’ policies and knew what a Trump presidency would bring. But because Liz Cheney – a woman, remember, who sacrificed her own standing in the Party and torpedoed her own political career in order to stand up to Trump and try to give legitimacy to the J6 hearings – showed up to one of her rallies and endorsed her, that was such an insult and affront to them on a personal level that they were willing to sit at home in protest and hand the country over to Trump. That doesn’t even pass the smell test. Those people were never going to vote for Harris anyway. Cheney was just a convenient excuse.
You don’t have to like Liz Cheney. God knows I don’t agree with her on a single political issue. But Liz Cheney wasn’t running for office. Liz Cheney is a far-right nutjob, but even she’s giving MAGA the side-eye. It’s a prime example of winning the battle but losing the war. Sometimes, you have to look at the bigger picture, and in some battles, you need to accept that the enemy of your enemy sometimes really is your friend, if only for a little while.
It’s not like Harris picked Cheney for VP or something.
You’re starting from a flawed assumption. It’s more like “Oh boy, the DNC made the decision to ditch Biden and run someone slightly progressive, how exciting,” to “Why hasn’t she called it a genocide, is she going to be any different on Israel than Biden,” to “Why do they keep insisting the economy is fine directly to the face of people who are currently suffering,” to “Why did we even bother ditching Joe Biden if Harris isn’t going to make any changes from him,” until finally “Liz fucking Cheney? Seriously? Fine, just tell me to fuck off before you take my $20 next time.”
I think a lot of people were very invigorated to vote for the Harris/Walz ticket when it was first announced, and then little by little that energy was whittled away.
Not the OP, but I started reading it, and the first sentence is starting the bullshit already.
Conservatives backed Trump by bigger percentages than in 2020.
There were 1 million more votes for Trump than in 2020, while there were 14 million fewer votes for Harris compared to Biden. So while it’s technically true it’s ignoring the damned elephant in the room. 13 million people didn’t sit out this election or switch sides because of Liz Cheney.
If the very first sentence is already this disingenuous, the rest of the article isn’t even worth wasting my time.
The followup is that sitting with Cheney wasted time that could have been spent reaching those 14M instead of wasting it on people who were never going to vote Harris.
14 million isn’t something Harris could do on her own. They left because the Dem establishment gave no reason to show they cared about people. While the Republican were saying “it’s hard, we’ll fix it” the Dems kept insisting “it’s actually not that bad”.
Obviously the Reps “fix” will be worse, but the Dems just stuck their head in the sand and ignored everything the average American needs to get by on a daily basis. It’s why 14 million voters abandoned them. 1 million went to Trump, the other 13 million gave up.
Your numbers are a bit off, counting votes is still happening. We are currently at 97%. Trump is up about 1.6 million more votes than 2020 and Harris is down about 8.4 million votes from Biden 2020.
Yup. All the bad actors that don’t want American politicians reaching across the aisles. They will pretend they were totally gonna vote but now they have to let facism win to take the moral high ground.
Anyone who sits here and claims that they were going to vote for Harris, but Liz Cheney showing up with her one time was just a bridge too far to the point where they were willing to let Trump return to power never had an intent of voting for Harris in the first place.
There were too many straws, bricks, pianos, etc. to determine which one finally destroyed that camel.
But dick cheney is a pretty massive weight, especially when the camel is running over the left.
The logic just doesn’t make even the least bit of sense.
What you’re telling me is that people were planning on voting for Harris. They liked Harris’ policies and knew what a Trump presidency would bring. But because Liz Cheney – a woman, remember, who sacrificed her own standing in the Party and torpedoed her own political career in order to stand up to Trump and try to give legitimacy to the J6 hearings – showed up to one of her rallies and endorsed her, that was such an insult and affront to them on a personal level that they were willing to sit at home in protest and hand the country over to Trump. That doesn’t even pass the smell test. Those people were never going to vote for Harris anyway. Cheney was just a convenient excuse.
You don’t have to like Liz Cheney. God knows I don’t agree with her on a single political issue. But Liz Cheney wasn’t running for office. Liz Cheney is a far-right nutjob, but even she’s giving MAGA the side-eye. It’s a prime example of winning the battle but losing the war. Sometimes, you have to look at the bigger picture, and in some battles, you need to accept that the enemy of your enemy sometimes really is your friend, if only for a little while.
It’s not like Harris picked Cheney for VP or something.
You’re starting from a flawed assumption. It’s more like “Oh boy, the DNC made the decision to ditch Biden and run someone slightly progressive, how exciting,” to “Why hasn’t she called it a genocide, is she going to be any different on Israel than Biden,” to “Why do they keep insisting the economy is fine directly to the face of people who are currently suffering,” to “Why did we even bother ditching Joe Biden if Harris isn’t going to make any changes from him,” until finally “Liz fucking Cheney? Seriously? Fine, just tell me to fuck off before you take my $20 next time.”
I think a lot of people were very invigorated to vote for the Harris/Walz ticket when it was first announced, and then little by little that energy was whittled away.
Did you read the article? And if so, was it before or after constructing your straw man?
Not the OP, but I started reading it, and the first sentence is starting the bullshit already.
There were 1 million more votes for Trump than in 2020, while there were 14 million fewer votes for Harris compared to Biden. So while it’s technically true it’s ignoring the damned elephant in the room. 13 million people didn’t sit out this election or switch sides because of Liz Cheney.
If the very first sentence is already this disingenuous, the rest of the article isn’t even worth wasting my time.
The followup is that sitting with Cheney wasted time that could have been spent reaching those 14M instead of wasting it on people who were never going to vote Harris.
14 million isn’t something Harris could do on her own. They left because the Dem establishment gave no reason to show they cared about people. While the Republican were saying “it’s hard, we’ll fix it” the Dems kept insisting “it’s actually not that bad”.
Obviously the Reps “fix” will be worse, but the Dems just stuck their head in the sand and ignored everything the average American needs to get by on a daily basis. It’s why 14 million voters abandoned them. 1 million went to Trump, the other 13 million gave up.
Maybe not hanging around with Liz Cheney would be a start on that.
Your numbers are a bit off, counting votes is still happening. We are currently at 97%. Trump is up about 1.6 million more votes than 2020 and Harris is down about 8.4 million votes from Biden 2020.
Claiming Liz Cheney is responsible for 13 million people not voting is the bullshit.
2020 had the highest voter turnout ever because of the pandemic.
Billionaires were doing things like buying votes to avoid being taxed by Kamala.
Republicans convinced many Americans that Biden and his “radical left wing” policies were responsible for inflation.
Enemy nations like China and Russia favored Trump and used their bot farms accordingly.
No one I know that voted irl ever even cared about Liz Cheney.
The idea that Liz Cheney could sway 13 million votes is ridiculous.
That ain’t a strawman. It’s calling a spade a spade.
Yup. All the bad actors that don’t want American politicians reaching across the aisles. They will pretend they were totally gonna vote but now they have to let facism win to take the moral high ground.