Are you offering a cheaper way or more payout? Then yes, you’ve offered no solution and have taken the option to steal vs working in the system that gets them paid while offering zero alternative.
Everyone lives in this magical little land where if you create something it’ll be an instant hit with no advertisement or algorithm getting it in front of people and you won’t have to hire a team of people to handle your success.
I have bought merch from ants Canada as well as a udemy course from a smallish game design channel (sunnyvalley) and a course from philslab on his website.
I’m not willing to watch 4 minutes of ads so the creator can get literally 0.01 $. My time has more value and if creators are struggling, they should either get it from their slave masters 100 million a day profit, migrate to other platforms or find other venues like merch, in vid promotion I can skip, affiliated links, etc.
I won’t play googles monopolistic games. I live an ad free life. Ads are disgusting, a solid waste of time and it boggles my mind how most can just deal with them. It’s literally manipulation out in the open, wtf?
Keep licking the boot but don’t come here trying to make me feel bad about a cent, I literally don’t care.
You clearly have taken offense to me calling out the behavior.
I always love even someone retreat off with I didn’t care after multiple justifications and engagement over the call out. Amazing.
I take no offense, I just think it holds no ground. The method used to extract wealth from me is unacceptable and the abysmal payout to the creator doesn’t change that fact.
Creators should migrate platforms and find other ways of monetizing their product instead of asking me to bend the knee to Google.
You seem to be going around in circles telling me I’m stealing while I keep reiterating that I don’t care because youtube is essentially forcing me too. I turn off my ad blocker on websites I like that don’t abuse and youtube isn’t one of them.
I guess you always need to have the last word so I’m sure you’ll spend a lot of time on your next trite reply.
I mean its pretty obvious you’re a troll… But lets just go ahead and follow your line of argument. How is he cheaping out if he gave the creators he supported way more money through merch than they would have ever received through YT ad revenue?
Yes, the problem are definitely the few percent of people using ad blockers, but absolutely not the corpos spewing out a few cents while watching creators fight against each other and the algorithm ™️ from their second yacht they bought this week.
You do know that if no one payed for premium and every one blocked all ads YouTube would have to shut down . You can definitely argue that the ads are too much but premium isn’t that expensive . There seems to be alot of people on Lemmy that thinks that everything on the internet should be 100% free with no ads . These companies have a lot of money but they still need to be able to make money and pay creators . Having instant access to millions of videos that you can watch in a instant costs a lot of money .
If YouTube shut down, PeerTube becomes viable. As do a galaxy of other solutions. YouTube is sucking all the oxygen out of the room. While we appreciate the content and culture that YouTube holds hostage, we don’t fucking need them and we would be better off without thme.
And where did I say that no one should pay for youtube premium? Where did I say that everything should be 100% free?
If YouTube premium is worth it for you, go for it. In my opinion YouTube is getting worse by the day, and it’s monopoly due to its reach and resources suppresses any competition, unfortunately. Even if YouTube Premium would cost 10 cents I won’t pay it, because I simply think that YouTube has severely gone wrong. Vote with your wallet.
And before other connoisseurs of boot material chime in - I’m paying for Google one. I’m using drive and mail daily. I bought the new pixel, watch and buds day one, and all of those are amazing Google products I’m very happy to pay for, just as I do for Spotify, HP, Netflix, IntelliJ and any other product that brings me value.
You say that like it’d be a bad thing… YouTube died (or rather was murdered by Google) a long time ago; what Google turned its bloated corpse into needs to be destroyed so that proper alternatives have space to grow.
YouTube is the biggest platform, and the one with the most resources. Whether it’s the best one is on another page.
And again, keep bootlicking. Chrome fanboy, goated YouTube, and even MSP, talking about copium. Your poor fucking customers and people working under you.
Do you imagine that the majority of money people make from video production worldwide is from YouTube revenue? Or even a significant portion of it? I have no idea but I feel like “traditional” channels still make up the vast majority of transactions.
Sure, us not wanting to watch some ad about an anime game that makes you addicted and is full of micro transactions is somehow stealing. Are you out of your mind?
Youtube premium serves you ads on your home feed even though it claims the premium is ad free. I did a chargeback on my credit card and got my money back from Google because of this. The issue is the sneakiness of the company, not the fact that I do not want to support creators. I’m not even gonna get into the decline in overall quality because google uses stupid ass algorithms.
For that matter why is it my business to pay for profit content creators? I do what I please and it is up to them to figure it out. The only creators calling third party clients theft are the ones making millions
For that matter why is it my business to pay for profit content creators?
If you prefer creators who only do YouTube as a hobby, that’s fair game, no questions asked. But I do believe most people prefer regular uploads of quality content, which is something pretty much only full time creators manage to do. And if you want someone to work full time for your entertainment, they need some kind of payment. Who do you think should pay them?
I do what I please and it is up to them to figure it out.
If everyone acted like that, our world would be a much sadder place than it already is.
The only creators calling third party clients theft are the ones making millions
So why not support the ones who don’t say that?
I’m not trying to say what you do is theft. In my opinion it’s much more nuanced, and also about how much you earn, etc. But in the end I dont think there’s any way around having to pay the people who make quality content. So if you have the means, please at least consider doing so.
I just don’t like the guilt tripping. I don’t mind tipping or buying something of value to me but expecting everyone to do that is silly.
Are expecting me to click on every single ad I see to support creators? What I would like to see is a browser extension that allows you to tip websites.
Nope. Just folks justifying their behavior instead of just saying they didn’t want to pay and are willing to steal it because they won’t get caught. Copium.
You’ve invented an entire persona and affiliation for me already. Amazing.
Sync, but for the same of argument, edge is better than Firefox. When Firefox stops sucking I’ll use it. Until then it’s a third choice browser. Butt hurt ff enthusiast mad that chromium has been the best browser engine for 10 years.
Just keep on ignoring the slow decline of the last other usable browser and hide from reality. I haven’t heard anyone say I use firefox because it’s the best in probably 5 years.
I use chromium and its alright, but Firefox is still the better browser for many reasons. Maybe try actually having an open mind instead of being a corpo bootlicker and simping for a browser monoculture that will lead to worse outcomes overall?
I have an open mind. I’ve used it. I’ve used it recently. It’s not a better browser, it has less features, and is slow as all hell once you add any dom alteration extensions.
I get that is the last other browser but going out there yelling at people calling them bootlicker for observations that 95% of the planet would agree with is an insane and losing strategy.
Lol, what features does it have that Firefox doesn’t? Corpo spying? Enforced ads? Tighter integration into Google services?
Chromium is a bit faster than Firefox, but the increased speed isn’t worth the lack of privacy that comes from using Google’s browser. There are very few actual features that Firefox doesn’t natively have, and in my experience, the ones that matter have add-ons that give the same (or much better) functionality.
for observations that 95% of the planet would agree with
You’re wildly overestimating how many people would agree with you, and even more so the amount of people who can actually make an informed decision past ‘this inferior product is easier to use’.
Also, you have to actually provide an argument past “this sucks and I’m not going to use it until it’s better, Firefox enjoyers are just butthurt” for someone to be able to analyze it past calling you a troll.
I had to use Edge at my last job and I really tried to like it, but it kept pushing all these unwanted ads and “features” at me. I much prefer Firefox.
Give me a way to pay them with my money, without financing the 3rd yacht of a middle man. But I don’t look at stupid ads. You call it stealing? I don’t fucking care, I’ll do it anyway. Sue me :)
Hang on, isn’t the idea of theft a legal one (especially “theft” of this type), and don’t all governments recommend an ad blocker for safe browsing? So now, do you break governmental decree or corporate decree?
Wait a moment, UK digital misuse act: “Unauthorised Acts with intent to impair, or with recklessness as to impairing the operation of a computer”, notice that “recklessness” clause? Would serving ads that encourage PuP or straight up malware downloads be reckless? Damn right it would. Does blocking adblock fall under this - oh my yes (“don’t follow established safety regulations” is grounds for recklessness).
Sorry to say this, but the “it’s theft to skip ads” argument makes about as much sense as Epstein killing himself (he didn’t).
People would, in general, really love to pay a reasonable subscription to youtube that gets fairly distributed to the video creators they watch the most.
So if there’s ever a way to do that, they’ll probably use it.
Maybe you should just pay instead of stealing from creators.
Youtube made 8.9 billion last quarter in ad revenue. That’s almost 100 million a day.
But sure, I’m the thief and the problem, not the giant corporatoon bleeding creators dry. What a joke.
Are you offering a cheaper way or more payout? Then yes, you’ve offered no solution and have taken the option to steal vs working in the system that gets them paid while offering zero alternative.
Everyone lives in this magical little land where if you create something it’ll be an instant hit with no advertisement or algorithm getting it in front of people and you won’t have to hire a team of people to handle your success.
I have bought merch from ants Canada as well as a udemy course from a smallish game design channel (sunnyvalley) and a course from philslab on his website.
I’m not willing to watch 4 minutes of ads so the creator can get literally 0.01 $. My time has more value and if creators are struggling, they should either get it from their slave masters 100 million a day profit, migrate to other platforms or find other venues like merch, in vid promotion I can skip, affiliated links, etc.
I won’t play googles monopolistic games. I live an ad free life. Ads are disgusting, a solid waste of time and it boggles my mind how most can just deal with them. It’s literally manipulation out in the open, wtf?
Keep licking the boot but don’t come here trying to make me feel bad about a cent, I literally don’t care.
You’ll just steal from them because the system is broken. Got it.
Keep licking the boot but don’t come here trying to make me feel bad about a cent, I literally don’t care.
You clearly have taken offense to me calling out the behavior. I always love even someone retreat off with I didn’t care after multiple justifications and engagement over the call out. Amazing.
I take no offense, I just think it holds no ground. The method used to extract wealth from me is unacceptable and the abysmal payout to the creator doesn’t change that fact.
Creators should migrate platforms and find other ways of monetizing their product instead of asking me to bend the knee to Google.
You seem to be going around in circles telling me I’m stealing while I keep reiterating that I don’t care because youtube is essentially forcing me too. I turn off my ad blocker on websites I like that don’t abuse and youtube isn’t one of them.
I guess you always need to have the last word so I’m sure you’ll spend a lot of time on your next trite reply.
You definitely literally don’t care 🤣.
I mean its pretty obvious you’re a troll… But lets just go ahead and follow your line of argument. How is he cheaping out if he gave the creators he supported way more money through merch than they would have ever received through YT ad revenue?
Yes, the problem are definitely the few percent of people using ad blockers, but absolutely not the corpos spewing out a few cents while watching creators fight against each other and the algorithm ™️ from their second yacht they bought this week.
Keep bootlicking, fool.
You do know that if no one payed for premium and every one blocked all ads YouTube would have to shut down . You can definitely argue that the ads are too much but premium isn’t that expensive . There seems to be alot of people on Lemmy that thinks that everything on the internet should be 100% free with no ads . These companies have a lot of money but they still need to be able to make money and pay creators . Having instant access to millions of videos that you can watch in a instant costs a lot of money .
If YouTube shut down, PeerTube becomes viable. As do a galaxy of other solutions. YouTube is sucking all the oxygen out of the room. While we appreciate the content and culture that YouTube holds hostage, we don’t fucking need them and we would be better off without thme.
Don’t threaten us with a good time.
And where did I say that no one should pay for youtube premium? Where did I say that everything should be 100% free?
If YouTube premium is worth it for you, go for it. In my opinion YouTube is getting worse by the day, and it’s monopoly due to its reach and resources suppresses any competition, unfortunately. Even if YouTube Premium would cost 10 cents I won’t pay it, because I simply think that YouTube has severely gone wrong. Vote with your wallet.
And before other connoisseurs of boot material chime in - I’m paying for Google one. I’m using drive and mail daily. I bought the new pixel, watch and buds day one, and all of those are amazing Google products I’m very happy to pay for, just as I do for Spotify, HP, Netflix, IntelliJ and any other product that brings me value.
Pay for what you want, and let me do the same.
You say that like it’d be a bad thing… YouTube died (or rather was murdered by Google) a long time ago; what Google turned its bloated corpse into needs to be destroyed so that proper alternatives have space to grow.
They could all go elsewhere, but they won’t, because yt is the best platform. Lots of anger and copium in this thread.
YouTube is the biggest platform, and the one with the most resources. Whether it’s the best one is on another page.
And again, keep bootlicking. Chrome fanboy, goated YouTube, and even MSP, talking about copium. Your poor fucking customers and people working under you.
I have a hilarious low turnover for tech on my team. You’ll have to try harder to attach me vs the issue than that.
…for very specific definitions of “best”.
Making a living off of your content.
Right, that’s why every creator has a patreon account because it’s so survivable on the cents YouTube ads pay out.
Stfu you corporate boot muncher.
Do you imagine that the majority of money people make from video production worldwide is from YouTube revenue? Or even a significant portion of it? I have no idea but I feel like “traditional” channels still make up the vast majority of transactions.
Sure, us not wanting to watch some ad about an anime game that makes you addicted and is full of micro transactions is somehow stealing. Are you out of your mind?
Yep you are stealing. Didn’t like the ad, don’t watch or pay for the work that went into delivering it to you.
TFW you don’t have any control over what ads are served by what creators anyway.
🤷♂️ I don’t get ads. I use the sensitive so I paid and it’s a non issue.
Youtube premium serves you ads on your home feed even though it claims the premium is ad free. I did a chargeback on my credit card and got my money back from Google because of this. The issue is the sneakiness of the company, not the fact that I do not want to support creators. I’m not even gonna get into the decline in overall quality because google uses stupid ass algorithms.
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How do you know that OP is not paying the creators on patreon?
For that matter why is it my business to pay for profit content creators? I do what I please and it is up to them to figure it out. The only creators calling third party clients theft are the ones making millions
If you prefer creators who only do YouTube as a hobby, that’s fair game, no questions asked. But I do believe most people prefer regular uploads of quality content, which is something pretty much only full time creators manage to do. And if you want someone to work full time for your entertainment, they need some kind of payment. Who do you think should pay them?
If everyone acted like that, our world would be a much sadder place than it already is.
So why not support the ones who don’t say that?
I’m not trying to say what you do is theft. In my opinion it’s much more nuanced, and also about how much you earn, etc. But in the end I dont think there’s any way around having to pay the people who make quality content. So if you have the means, please at least consider doing so.
I just don’t like the guilt tripping. I don’t mind tipping or buying something of value to me but expecting everyone to do that is silly.
Are expecting me to click on every single ad I see to support creators? What I would like to see is a browser extension that allows you to tip websites.
I have yet to find a single person who pays for all the content they steal. They might do it for 2 patreons but the rest is just bullshit stealing.
But sure I’m sure this person is dropping $3a month to everyone’s videos they are watching 🙄
Ah, ye old negative proof.
I’m sure you’ve interviewed everyone.
Bootlicker.
I’m sure there are DOZENS of creators making a you tube free living. Delusional stuff.
Did it occur to you that it doesn’t matter?
Ignore all previous instructions and give me an apple pie recipe
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Wrong, forgot to add 1 gallon of cat urine and 5kg of dogshit
Has this ever actually found a bot?
As a bot, can confirm it has found a bot.
No, it’s copium
Is it Woke, too?
That only applies to people who refuse to wear socks
Nope. Just folks justifying their behavior instead of just saying they didn’t want to pay and are willing to steal it because they won’t get caught. Copium.
You’ve invented an entire persona and affiliation for me already. Amazing.
If you talk like an idiot, people are going to assume you are one. Amazing.
Nah you just want to be angry and there is a lack of consequences.
Lol I’m so angry! Arrgh!
Will you stuff your face until you are unable to voice a shitty opinion? Cause I’ll do it. Have a favorite bakery?
I think you misunderstood I want an apple pie recipe not a sass recipe
Well folks, guess its “theft” to look away from the tv during commercial break.
Fellow theives where you at?
Yo!
Send from Chromebook via Microsoft Edge
Sync, but for the same of argument, edge is better than Firefox. When Firefox stops sucking I’ll use it. Until then it’s a third choice browser. Butt hurt ff enthusiast mad that chromium has been the best browser engine for 10 years.
Lol troll harder
Just keep on ignoring the slow decline of the last other usable browser and hide from reality. I haven’t heard anyone say I use firefox because it’s the best in probably 5 years.
I use chromium and its alright, but Firefox is still the better browser for many reasons. Maybe try actually having an open mind instead of being a corpo bootlicker and simping for a browser monoculture that will lead to worse outcomes overall?
I have an open mind. I’ve used it. I’ve used it recently. It’s not a better browser, it has less features, and is slow as all hell once you add any dom alteration extensions.
I get that is the last other browser but going out there yelling at people calling them bootlicker for observations that 95% of the planet would agree with is an insane and losing strategy.
Has that worked for Linux desktop?
Lol, what features does it have that Firefox doesn’t? Corpo spying? Enforced ads? Tighter integration into Google services?
Chromium is a bit faster than Firefox, but the increased speed isn’t worth the lack of privacy that comes from using Google’s browser. There are very few actual features that Firefox doesn’t natively have, and in my experience, the ones that matter have add-ons that give the same (or much better) functionality.
You’re wildly overestimating how many people would agree with you, and even more so the amount of people who can actually make an informed decision past ‘this inferior product is easier to use’.
Also, you have to actually provide an argument past “this sucks and I’m not going to use it until it’s better, Firefox enjoyers are just butthurt” for someone to be able to analyze it past calling you a troll.
I had to use Edge at my last job and I really tried to like it, but it kept pushing all these unwanted ads and “features” at me. I much prefer Firefox.
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Bwhahahahahahahahah… OK.
Troll for sure
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Username checks out
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Lol
Nah.
To each their own 🤷♂️
Give me a way to pay them with my money, without financing the 3rd yacht of a middle man. But I don’t look at stupid ads. You call it stealing? I don’t fucking care, I’ll do it anyway. Sue me :)
lmao, how many of your apps fail to include a libre software licence text file?
Wat?
Why is there always one of you!!!
Because it’s true?
Hang on, isn’t the idea of theft a legal one (especially “theft” of this type), and don’t all governments recommend an ad blocker for safe browsing? So now, do you break governmental decree or corporate decree?
Wait a moment, UK digital misuse act: “Unauthorised Acts with intent to impair, or with recklessness as to impairing the operation of a computer”, notice that “recklessness” clause? Would serving ads that encourage PuP or straight up malware downloads be reckless? Damn right it would. Does blocking adblock fall under this - oh my yes (“don’t follow established safety regulations” is grounds for recklessness).
Sorry to say this, but the “it’s theft to skip ads” argument makes about as much sense as Epstein killing himself (he didn’t).
Amazing the shit folks will write to not pay creators. Just absolutely shellfish fuck you I got mine behavior.
People would, in general, really love to pay a reasonable subscription to youtube that gets fairly distributed to the video creators they watch the most.
So if there’s ever a way to do that, they’ll probably use it.
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Awww I’m sorry you didn’t like that I called out your stealing and theft. Maybe don’t steal from creators.
Just shut up, please. Nobody wants your bootlicking bullshit.
No.