Smaller EVs like the nissan leaf or the Chevy bolt (rip) can be had for less than most lightly used cars with the tax credit, my 2023 new bolt was 22k with tax etc., whereas comparable small hatchback/sedans from e.g. Honda were 25k+ for a 2020 model. The median income for Californians is ~$45k, so as long as the credit isn’t used for things like the hummer or Porsche evs this is probably helping a lot of middle- and middle-low income people, though not lower income unfortunately
this is probably helping a lot of middle- and middle-low income people, though not lower income unfortunately
Depends on how you qualify “middle income”.
If you mean like. The mathematical average most families have…
They’re not buying new cars in 2024.
If you mean the concept of “middle income” with one working parent, 2.5 kids, that own their own home and take large annual vacations while buying a new car every 4-5 years…
Buddy, there ain’t many of them left.
And if you think giving the people who need a handout the less should get a handout for the environment…
A used ICE is better for the environment than a new EV. And compared to pollution from things like the shipping industry, personal vehicles are nowhere near the largest concern.
Like this sounds good and gives people warm and fuzzy feelings that something is being done. But that’s all it accomplishes, everyone’s tax dollars are being used to give rich people warm and fuzzies.
You know that’s what tax credit means right?
That specific person is let off the hook, there’s less tax money available for services, and we get less than what we paid for unless we can afford to buy a new car and get the rebate.
Like…
I feel like I’m explaining tariffs to trump supporters.
The only people who really win are the ones selling the cars and the people they’re giving bribespolitical donations to.
Quick edit:
The right way to incentive EV is to stop artificially lowering gas prices with everyone’s tax money…
Not doing the same for EVs.
But fossil fuel corps already donate a shit ton to both parties, that’s why in 2024 both candidates were aggressively pro-fracking
the best way to get affordable RVs, especially used EVs is to goose the market. Faster growth now gets us more used EVs than trying to make the current ones cheaper.
the full rebate only applies up to $150k annual income for someone filing single. While it’s well above the median income, that’s far from wealthy, especially in high cost of living areas
Yes in this case it’s good to help those higher middle income people because they’re the ones where it makes a difference now and the most people benefit with the most market growth
The smaller one, and am very happy with the decision. The selling point on the EUV is really more rear legroom, but it has a more sloped hood to look sportier so you actually have less trunk space and a smaller opening unfortunately. It also gets less range by a bit, and has a longer hood so harder to park in a dense city if that’s a concern.
That being said, neither are fantastic road trip cars. I’ve taken it ~4 hours away, but you have to stop for about an hour on both outbound and return legs to comfortably make it and be able to drive around your destination. And I wish the trunk was ~1 inch longer or a bit flatter, you can only fit a normal rolling suitcase in the center, so it’s almost a 3-suitcase trunk with room on top but is actually only 2 without some significant Tetris.
Smaller EVs like the nissan leaf or the Chevy bolt (rip) can be had for less than most lightly used cars with the tax credit, my 2023 new bolt was 22k with tax etc., whereas comparable small hatchback/sedans from e.g. Honda were 25k+ for a 2020 model. The median income for Californians is ~$45k, so as long as the credit isn’t used for things like the hummer or Porsche evs this is probably helping a lot of middle- and middle-low income people, though not lower income unfortunately
Depends on how you qualify “middle income”.
If you mean like. The mathematical average most families have…
They’re not buying new cars in 2024.
If you mean the concept of “middle income” with one working parent, 2.5 kids, that own their own home and take large annual vacations while buying a new car every 4-5 years…
Buddy, there ain’t many of them left.
And if you think giving the people who need a handout the less should get a handout for the environment…
A used ICE is better for the environment than a new EV. And compared to pollution from things like the shipping industry, personal vehicles are nowhere near the largest concern.
Like this sounds good and gives people warm and fuzzy feelings that something is being done. But that’s all it accomplishes, everyone’s tax dollars are being used to give rich people warm and fuzzies.
You know that’s what tax credit means right?
That specific person is let off the hook, there’s less tax money available for services, and we get less than what we paid for unless we can afford to buy a new car and get the rebate.
Like…
I feel like I’m explaining tariffs to trump supporters.
The only people who really win are the ones selling the cars and the people they’re giving
bribespolitical donations to.Quick edit:
The right way to incentive EV is to stop artificially lowering gas prices with everyone’s tax money…
Not doing the same for EVs.
But fossil fuel corps already donate a shit ton to both parties, that’s why in 2024 both candidates were aggressively pro-fracking
Yes in this case it’s good to help those higher middle income people because they’re the ones where it makes a difference now and the most people benefit with the most market growth
Ew Nissan Leaf.
Did you get a bolt or a bolt euv? I’m considering a small EV
The smaller one, and am very happy with the decision. The selling point on the EUV is really more rear legroom, but it has a more sloped hood to look sportier so you actually have less trunk space and a smaller opening unfortunately. It also gets less range by a bit, and has a longer hood so harder to park in a dense city if that’s a concern.
That being said, neither are fantastic road trip cars. I’ve taken it ~4 hours away, but you have to stop for about an hour on both outbound and return legs to comfortably make it and be able to drive around your destination. And I wish the trunk was ~1 inch longer or a bit flatter, you can only fit a normal rolling suitcase in the center, so it’s almost a 3-suitcase trunk with room on top but is actually only 2 without some significant Tetris.