You think tesla is awful for this (they are) because elon is the current boogeyman but most if not all modern vehicles have eulas that reserve the right to save an obnoxious amount of data including images, voice recordings, routes driven, etc. you almost always have no way to opt out despite spending tens of thousands of dollars and almost all of them have absolutely horrible data security practices
It’s a serious concern already when it’s concerning vehicle telemetry and autonomous features like adaptive cruise control and automatic braking but they pretty much rely on imagery outside of the vehicle. That can and will of course pick up images of you. However an increasing number of cars are including facial recognition inside the cockpit to identify the driver, sold as a “comfort feature” for households where multiple users drive the same vehicle. The facial recognition IDs who is driving and will automatically set the seat, climate, etc. sounds fancy right? But they overwhelmingly reserve the right to store that data, absolutely will share it with law enforcement, and will sell it likely for advertising as well
The scummier manufacturers have eulas that say something along the lines of you give tacit consent to this by simply riding in the vehicle as a passenger. So your friend buys a nice new subaru, you have a conversation with them, and that data could be harvested, sold, shared with law enforcement, etc, solely because you were stupid enough to accept a ride. You were never presented with an eula, you were never given a chance to give informed consent, but it doesn’t fucking matter to Subaru, apparently (who also does the facial recognition thing)
I don’t use TikTok. I do however see a lack of leverage a government on the other side of the world would have over me. If the US gave a shit about data security then they wouldn’t allow all its domestically sold cars to have all that user telemetry in the first place.
It’s being pragmatic. I don’t want any data to be transmitted to any server just as much you I assume. If that’s not gonna happen then at least China won’t be likely to share what it has with the US government and would have a smaller influence over my life compared to what the US would do.
I honestly don’t think it will matter much. I don’t think BYD, Huawei, Samsung, Kia, Honda, BMW, Motorola, or PayPal are collecting all this info about us so they can just sit on it. Now the countries those companies are based in might have some slightly different standards, but a lot of them share that data, too.
The real solution is to get decent consumer privacy laws, and I’m not sure how to get there.
And, sadly, according to Mozilla’s report Subaru isn’t even the worst! And, not in their defense, but the facial recognition stuff was a driver facing camera so it wouldn’t be facing the passenger… Always watching your friend though!
At least in some EU countries EULAs aren’t even valid in any way form or shape because they’re considered an unilateral attempt to force new contract terms after a sale, which is an implicit contract.
Absolutely, put a contract in front of people and say “sign here” before they pay and it’s valid (although even then, some terms are never valid since certain things can’t legally be signed away in a contract), try and force new contractual terms after a sale has been closed and it’s not at all valid.
There is a website that allows you to opt out of some of that info I believe, I can’t remember the site, but I assume an insurance company will raise your rates if you opt out?
You think tesla is awful for this (they are) because elon is the current boogeyman but most if not all modern vehicles have eulas that reserve the right to save an obnoxious amount of data including images, voice recordings, routes driven, etc. you almost always have no way to opt out despite spending tens of thousands of dollars and almost all of them have absolutely horrible data security practices
It’s a serious concern already when it’s concerning vehicle telemetry and autonomous features like adaptive cruise control and automatic braking but they pretty much rely on imagery outside of the vehicle. That can and will of course pick up images of you. However an increasing number of cars are including facial recognition inside the cockpit to identify the driver, sold as a “comfort feature” for households where multiple users drive the same vehicle. The facial recognition IDs who is driving and will automatically set the seat, climate, etc. sounds fancy right? But they overwhelmingly reserve the right to store that data, absolutely will share it with law enforcement, and will sell it likely for advertising as well
The scummier manufacturers have eulas that say something along the lines of you give tacit consent to this by simply riding in the vehicle as a passenger. So your friend buys a nice new subaru, you have a conversation with them, and that data could be harvested, sold, shared with law enforcement, etc, solely because you were stupid enough to accept a ride. You were never presented with an eula, you were never given a chance to give informed consent, but it doesn’t fucking matter to Subaru, apparently (who also does the facial recognition thing)
I recall Nissan reserving the right to sell info on your sexual orientation in one of their EULAs. Ridiculous and dystopian
EULA for what service?
Or do cars come with EULAs nowadays?
That will be very illegal in some European countries, no EULA is going to save you from the law
Tryin’ to holla at me
Get yourself a Chinese car to escape 14Eyes and embrace the CCPyware
It’s better than having your data in American servers where they can do the most damage.
Thank goodness data collection companies would never sell or share data with each other
Are you suggesting it’s better on Chinese servers? Guessing someone likes TikTok a little more than they like global stability
I don’t use TikTok. I do however see a lack of leverage a government on the other side of the world would have over me. If the US gave a shit about data security then they wouldn’t allow all its domestically sold cars to have all that user telemetry in the first place.
You’re thinking pretty small if you can’t imagine how it’s bad for a foreign government to surveil a population.
It’s being pragmatic. I don’t want any data to be transmitted to any server just as much you I assume. If that’s not gonna happen then at least China won’t be likely to share what it has with the US government and would have a smaller influence over my life compared to what the US would do.
I honestly don’t think it will matter much. I don’t think BYD, Huawei, Samsung, Kia, Honda, BMW, Motorola, or PayPal are collecting all this info about us so they can just sit on it. Now the countries those companies are based in might have some slightly different standards, but a lot of them share that data, too.
The real solution is to get decent consumer privacy laws, and I’m not sure how to get there.
And, sadly, according to Mozilla’s report Subaru isn’t even the worst! And, not in their defense, but the facial recognition stuff was a driver facing camera so it wouldn’t be facing the passenger… Always watching your friend though!
I think you have to see and accept EULA in EU for it to be respected
At least in some EU countries EULAs aren’t even valid in any way form or shape because they’re considered an unilateral attempt to force new contract terms after a sale, which is an implicit contract.
Absolutely, put a contract in front of people and say “sign here” before they pay and it’s valid (although even then, some terms are never valid since certain things can’t legally be signed away in a contract), try and force new contractual terms after a sale has been closed and it’s not at all valid.
There is a website that allows you to opt out of some of that info I believe, I can’t remember the site, but I assume an insurance company will raise your rates if you opt out?