This is false. There is still plenty of metadata that centralized providers can capture and turn over and that is usually sufficient for law-enforcement to get the information they want.
You seem to be highly misinformed what metadata is. A server for example will always have access to unencrypted IP addresses from the clients connecting to it, this is impossible to avoid unless you use a service like Tor that relays internet traffic, but that has very little to do with “encryption”.
Another thing a server can easily access is the timestamp of messages. Even if that is somehow stored encrypted in the server, messages are sent in real time and the server can easily log those, so an e2e encryption chat service will at the very least have logs with IP and timestamps. This can’t really be avoided.
According to signal facts all the have is your phone number and and the date you signed up for the service and the last day you connected to the server. IP address are not logged or stored the do t have access to it and signal has said this everytime the get a warrent for user data. So yes it is possible to have a secure service that doesn’t collect IP addresses but yes the do have some limited data so you are correct.
That is all they claim to store for later retrival*, which is not the same as what they would be able to capture in real-time and hand over to law-enforcement if forced to by a court (and they wouldn’t be able to tell you about it because of a gag-order).
*However this claim is contradicted by the source-code of their server (which they sometimes publish) which seems to store significantly more and of course this is assuming the code is indeed the same as the one they run on their servers, which is unclear.
Edit: and their servers run on AWS, so even if Signal itself doesn’t store the IP addresses, Amazon certainly could.
It never was encrypted. If it was they wouldn’t have anything to turn over.
This is false. There is still plenty of metadata that centralized providers can capture and turn over and that is usually sufficient for law-enforcement to get the information they want.
Right, WhatsApp is encrypted but not private at all. Reason? Metadatas, says as much as the message
This is false. They cannot turn over any type of data that is encrypted. Metadata or otherwise. That’s the point of encryption.
Except that most of the metadata isn’t encrypted anywhere and usually also can’t be encrypted as otherwise the service wouldn’t be able to function.
Plenty of services encrypt metadata. You need to do more research.
You seem to be highly misinformed what metadata is. A server for example will always have access to unencrypted IP addresses from the clients connecting to it, this is impossible to avoid unless you use a service like Tor that relays internet traffic, but that has very little to do with “encryption”.
Another thing a server can easily access is the timestamp of messages. Even if that is somehow stored encrypted in the server, messages are sent in real time and the server can easily log those, so an e2e encryption chat service will at the very least have logs with IP and timestamps. This can’t really be avoided.
And even with Tor, if the person didn’t compartmentalize their conversations into different identities, they’d have the pseudonymous graph.
According to signal facts all the have is your phone number and and the date you signed up for the service and the last day you connected to the server. IP address are not logged or stored the do t have access to it and signal has said this everytime the get a warrent for user data. So yes it is possible to have a secure service that doesn’t collect IP addresses but yes the do have some limited data so you are correct.
That is all they claim to store for later retrival*, which is not the same as what they would be able to capture in real-time and hand over to law-enforcement if forced to by a court (and they wouldn’t be able to tell you about it because of a gag-order).
*However this claim is contradicted by the source-code of their server (which they sometimes publish) which seems to store significantly more and of course this is assuming the code is indeed the same as the one they run on their servers, which is unclear.
Edit: and their servers run on AWS, so even if Signal itself doesn’t store the IP addresses, Amazon certainly could.
Very good and true point well said I agree with you on that good thing I am not important enough for it to be a issue lol or do anything illegal.