Like when you go to a restaurant, if you order a steak they will ask you how you want it cooked. They don’t ask you how you want your chicken cooked. They just cook it.
It’s how chicken is processed. Also, yeah it can do the same to beef, especially now that they are using machines to tenderize and dye the beef before it reaches the customer.
Things like steak tartare are cured with salt and very carefully handled. The risk of illness is still there, just greatly reduced thanks to careful prep.
Yes you can, but you’re not going to be able to cook to order.
It’s all about the meat’s internal temperature and the amount of time it’s kept at that temperature. If the meat could reach 165° F instantly it would kill everything. If you hold it at 120° F for two hours you kill nearly everything.
If you hold it at 120° F for two hours you kill nearly everything
Which is distinctly different from everything. And the consequences of this literally affect your health. It’s the reason there’s a hard rule about the temperature. It’s for safety.
I am amused at the up and downvotes on your comment. Have an up vote from me :)
A 7.0 log10 lethality means that a process has reduced the number of harmful bacteria, like Salmonella, by a factor of 10 million, effectively killing 99.99999% of them
This is the same way they measure the time duration you need to hold poultry at 165°F for.
Here’s a fun thought experiment: egg whites collegiate (ie are considered cooked) at 150° F. To reach 7.0 log10 levels of salmonella killing you would have to either have to hold your eggs at this temperature for 72 seconds or cook them to a higher temperature and hold them there less long. I don’t know about you, but I like over easy eggs. The center of the yolk gets no where near 150.
I am a microbiologist, I can vouch this is correct. There’s the concept of infective dose, which is the number of pathogens required to infect a host.
Humans are exposed to pathogens on a regular basis. As long as the amount of exposure is not enough to cause illness, you’re in the clear. A 7-log10 reduction should get pathogens far below the infective dose, unless you’re eating like…a solid mass of Salmonella. Gross.
Now I’m going to sous vide some chicken breasts at 120°F this weekend, for science!
Edit: just remembered Clostridium species are more heat resistant and sporulate. Don’t want botulism. 140°F it is!
165 degrees F is the temperature it takes to instantaneously kill 99.9 percent of salmonella. What also kills salmonella 99.9 percent of the time is cooking at a lower temperature for longer. It’s called pasteurization. The mod that deleted the previous comment about it being misinformation should restore that post. https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2021-12/Appendix-A.pdf
Can you actually cook chicken medium rare?
Like when you go to a restaurant, if you order a steak they will ask you how you want it cooked. They don’t ask you how you want your chicken cooked. They just cook it.
Nope, for whatever structural reason, the harmful stuff can penetrate chicken but not beef. Chicken has to be cooked through.
It’s how chicken is processed. Also, yeah it can do the same to beef, especially now that they are using machines to tenderize and dye the beef before it reaches the customer.
Things like steak tartare are cured with salt and very carefully handled. The risk of illness is still there, just greatly reduced thanks to careful prep.
Yes you can, but you’re not going to be able to cook to order.
It’s all about the meat’s internal temperature and the amount of time it’s kept at that temperature. If the meat could reach 165° F instantly it would kill everything. If you hold it at 120° F for two hours you kill nearly everything.
https://www.canr.msu.edu/smprv/uploads/files/RTE_Poultry_Tables1.pdf
Which is distinctly different from everything. And the consequences of this literally affect your health. It’s the reason there’s a hard rule about the temperature. It’s for safety.
I am amused at the up and downvotes on your comment. Have an up vote from me :)
This is the same way they measure the time duration you need to hold poultry at 165°F for.
Here’s a fun thought experiment: egg whites collegiate (ie are considered cooked) at 150° F. To reach 7.0 log10 levels of salmonella killing you would have to either have to hold your eggs at this temperature for 72 seconds or cook them to a higher temperature and hold them there less long. I don’t know about you, but I like over easy eggs. The center of the yolk gets no where near 150.
I am a microbiologist, I can vouch this is correct. There’s the concept of infective dose, which is the number of pathogens required to infect a host.
Humans are exposed to pathogens on a regular basis. As long as the amount of exposure is not enough to cause illness, you’re in the clear. A 7-log10 reduction should get pathogens far below the infective dose, unless you’re eating like…a solid mass of Salmonella. Gross.
Now I’m going to sous vide some chicken breasts at 120°F this weekend, for science!
Edit: just remembered Clostridium species are more heat resistant and sporulate. Don’t want botulism. 140°F it is!
I imagine the texture will probably be… not great, lol.
Report back on your findings!
Oh, it’s 100% gonna be nasty. I’ll make a post and tag you.
Any updates on that sous vide chicken?
I didn’t get to it, but I haven’t forgotten. I’m shooting for Thursday. This week has been a whirlwind.
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USDA safe temp for chicken is 165. This is dangerous misinformation
165 degrees F is the temperature it takes to instantaneously kill 99.9 percent of salmonella. What also kills salmonella 99.9 percent of the time is cooking at a lower temperature for longer. It’s called pasteurization. The mod that deleted the previous comment about it being misinformation should restore that post. https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2021-12/Appendix-A.pdf
Mods deleting things they don’t understand for misinformation is a lemmy.world tradition.