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minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish2•1 month agoWhat if I told you, that elections are a way for the ruling class to justify the oppression of the working class?
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish0•1 month agoThen I would conclude that you are not interested in winning elections. And therefore you shouldn’t give advice to people who do want to win elections.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish3•1 month agoHey man, I want our Empire to crumble, not prolong it’s life. While crumbling, I want to limit damage as best as possible. The Dems are the ones who care about winning elections, and holding power. The only way to do that is to listen to the working class. Trump lied about his intent to fix the problems, but he did, minimally, agree they existed.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish-1•1 month agoI don’t believe leftists actually know “the only way to win elections and hold power”, considering they have accomplished neither.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish1•1 month agoProbably because neither is our goal? I mean, leftists want no state, no classes, and no money.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish2•1 month agoDemocrats definitely don’t want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish1•1 month agoIn which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish1•1 month agoPlenty of people in the working class don’t want a stateless society, either.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish1•1 month agoPlenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still. And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.
What if I told you, that elections are a way for the ruling class to justify the oppression of the working class?
Then I would conclude that you are not interested in winning elections.
And therefore you shouldn’t give advice to people who do want to win elections.
Hey man, I want our Empire to crumble, not prolong it’s life.
While crumbling, I want to limit damage as best as possible.
The Dems are the ones who care about winning elections, and holding power. The only way to do that is to listen to the working class.
Trump lied about his intent to fix the problems, but he did, minimally, agree they existed.
I don’t believe leftists actually know “the only way to win elections and hold power”, considering they have accomplished neither.
Probably because neither is our goal? I mean, leftists want no state, no classes, and no money.
Democrats definitely don’t want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.
In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
Plenty of people in the working class don’t want a stateless society, either.
Plenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still.
And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.