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minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish2•4 hours agoThen I would conclude that you are not interested in winning elections. And therefore you shouldn’t give advice to people who do want to win elections.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish3•4 hours agoHey man, I want our Empire to crumble, not prolong it’s life. While crumbling, I want to limit damage as best as possible. The Dems are the ones who care about winning elections, and holding power. The only way to do that is to listen to the working class. Trump lied about his intent to fix the problems, but he did, minimally, agree they existed.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish-1•4 hours agoI don’t believe leftists actually know “the only way to win elections and hold power”, considering they have accomplished neither.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish1•3 hours agoProbably because neither is our goal? I mean, leftists want no state, no classes, and no money.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish2•2 hours agoDemocrats definitely don’t want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish1•1 hour agoIn which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish1•1 hour agoPlenty of people in the working class don’t want a stateless society, either.
minus-square@[email protected]linkfedilinkEnglish1•1 hour agoPlenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still. And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.
minus-square@FlowVoidlinkEnglish1•1 hour agoSo by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”. Classic leftist. And you accuse Democrats of wanting power over others.
Then I would conclude that you are not interested in winning elections.
And therefore you shouldn’t give advice to people who do want to win elections.
Hey man, I want our Empire to crumble, not prolong it’s life.
While crumbling, I want to limit damage as best as possible.
The Dems are the ones who care about winning elections, and holding power. The only way to do that is to listen to the working class.
Trump lied about his intent to fix the problems, but he did, minimally, agree they existed.
I don’t believe leftists actually know “the only way to win elections and hold power”, considering they have accomplished neither.
Probably because neither is our goal? I mean, leftists want no state, no classes, and no money.
Democrats definitely don’t want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.
In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
Plenty of people in the working class don’t want a stateless society, either.
Plenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still.
And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.
So by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”.
Classic leftist. And you accuse Democrats of wanting power over others.