Practically speaking, they let Trump win. But that doesn’t mean they actually like Trump or approve of what he’s doing. Imagining that everyone who didn’t vote for Harris is a die-hard Trumper just leads to despair, which benefits Trump.
What a wierd world, where someone makeing choice C or D means they really support A, Im glad you can read about 1/3rd of Americans minds, must be quite noisy
Yes, you are perfectly correct, a majority of Americans - either by action or by inaction - supported Trump becoming president.
But that does not inherently mean that a majority of Americans support what Trump is doing as president. Your anger over how the election went - no matter how justified - should not be the guide through which you envision your next steps. That only leads to throwing up your hands in despair, when a more realistic understanding of the situation, driven by pragmatism rather than outrage, would acknowledge that there is a significant corpus of voters who could potentially be motivated to act against what Trump’s administration is doing. People vote, or don’t, based on assumptions about the world. The more that the reality of a second Trump presidency challenges those assumptions, the more opportunity there is to drive people to action.
Or you can spend the rest of your life complaining about how things went down in 2024 while never actually doing anything useful. Your choice.
I am not saying it is not making a choice, it is making a choice, and with all choices it has consiquinces, what I am saying is that it is, by deffinition not the same choice as SUPPORTING trump. you can say the choice caused trump, you can say it enabled him, but deffinitionaly it is not the same as supporting him, as support is an afermitive thing, and the choices of not voting, voting 3rd party, and voting democrat all are not chosing to suport him
Not voting is tacit support of the winner in an election. And by that I mean they helped him win. Enabling, helping, supporting, these are all synonyms to me.
Yes what we need is more nuance between different types of support for nazis. That would make a great epitaph for democracy in fact: “We didn’t affirmatively choose this.”
I keep seeing this kind of comment, and it irks me. There’s nothing actionable here, and it honestly just comes across as defeatist. Oh well, what can we do, turns out a majority/plurality/murder/what the fuck ever of voters prefer Nazis. That’s some greasy fucking energy. We’re here now, regardless of what ought to be, so let’s start talking about how to deal with it.
Probably the easiest thing ever is to start leaning harder on the democrats to use their considerable political and financial resources to play hardball with Trump. I mean real hardball, litigate fucking everything, show up in person and keep those DOGE fucks out with sticks and bricks if need be, or at least Livestream and name and shame them, put together a rapid response team to counter the blatantly unconstitutional shit, get commitments from military officials that they will defend the constitution; literally anything besides wheeling out Schumer or Bernie to give another speech that everyone will ignore. I love Bernie, but we’re way past speeches.
Next, start going to protests, start getting involved with trying to push your local government on issues. I am, it’s allowed me to network with other local activists and I’m in a better place to be made aware of local needs and local actions. Also part of this is to check in with your network. I know people that voted Trump 1 and stuck with him all the way through the term that are disgusted with what’s happening now, we have mutual aid plans in place. It’s not much, but it’s a start. This is a good opportunity to plant seeds about mutual aid, protest, general strikes in the future, and organizing.
If you have money, start opening up legal cases. If you don’t, then start leaning on state politicians about whether they have plans to deal with the fallout. It’s finally worth ruminating on about what finally stopped the Nazis’ progress East. It wasn’t clever signs and chants. Don’t be caught unaware for the worst case scenario.
Don’t like what I suggest? Use your fucking noggin and think of something better to do and do it. Even if it’s yelling at passing cars. Do anything besides roll over. No peace for Nazis, ever.
They knew Elon was up Trump’s butt before the election and we all knew he was going to be doing exactly this. Even the conservatives knew, he literally told them.
So yea, they fucking did choose him, just not officially and he shouldn’t have this much power, and even if it was official he’s ignoring all the laws but the base doesn’t care because they are stupid wastes of the gift of life.
This is only obvious because you didn’t escape the news cycle.
There were a shocking number of people that didn’t even know Biden dropped out. Don’t underestimate how out of touch people can be before making an important decision
Being willfuly ignorant and astoundingly stupid is not an excuse. If they were ok with that before then they earned it all the same. My sympathy for them is deep in the negatives.
I usually just leave my dumb comments up as a reminder to myself (and a warning to others) of the importance of thinking before mouth opens and foot heads north.
We shouldn’t have a majority of voters in the U.S choosing a Nazi, but here we are.
Plurality* the majority of registered voters did not vote, voted for harris, or voted 3rd party.
Not voting and voting 3rd party is support for Donald, but whatever makes you sleep better at night
Practically speaking, they let Trump win. But that doesn’t mean they actually like Trump or approve of what he’s doing. Imagining that everyone who didn’t vote for Harris is a die-hard Trumper just leads to despair, which benefits Trump.
What a wierd world, where someone makeing choice C or D means they really support A, Im glad you can read about 1/3rd of Americans minds, must be quite noisy
Yes, choosing not to vote for example is indirectly making a choice. Weird I know, again, whatever helps americans sleep at night.
This is not a helpful way of thinking.
Yes, you are perfectly correct, a majority of Americans - either by action or by inaction - supported Trump becoming president.
But that does not inherently mean that a majority of Americans support what Trump is doing as president. Your anger over how the election went - no matter how justified - should not be the guide through which you envision your next steps. That only leads to throwing up your hands in despair, when a more realistic understanding of the situation, driven by pragmatism rather than outrage, would acknowledge that there is a significant corpus of voters who could potentially be motivated to act against what Trump’s administration is doing. People vote, or don’t, based on assumptions about the world. The more that the reality of a second Trump presidency challenges those assumptions, the more opportunity there is to drive people to action.
Or you can spend the rest of your life complaining about how things went down in 2024 while never actually doing anything useful. Your choice.
I did not say Americans support what he does as president. Youre making a different point
Whats funny is none of yall had this “that’s not helpful” attitude when it was the brits throwing themselves in the fire.
I am not saying it is not making a choice, it is making a choice, and with all choices it has consiquinces, what I am saying is that it is, by deffinition not the same choice as SUPPORTING trump. you can say the choice caused trump, you can say it enabled him, but deffinitionaly it is not the same as supporting him, as support is an afermitive thing, and the choices of not voting, voting 3rd party, and voting democrat all are not chosing to suport him
Not voting is tacit support of the winner in an election. And by that I mean they helped him win. Enabling, helping, supporting, these are all synonyms to me.
I am sorry to hear your vocabulary has such lack of nuance, it must make having proper indepth conversations hard for you.
Yes what we need is more nuance between different types of support for nazis. That would make a great epitaph for democracy in fact: “We didn’t affirmatively choose this.”
I keep seeing this kind of comment, and it irks me. There’s nothing actionable here, and it honestly just comes across as defeatist. Oh well, what can we do, turns out a majority/plurality/murder/what the fuck ever of voters prefer Nazis. That’s some greasy fucking energy. We’re here now, regardless of what ought to be, so let’s start talking about how to deal with it.
Great, what are your ideas?
Probably the easiest thing ever is to start leaning harder on the democrats to use their considerable political and financial resources to play hardball with Trump. I mean real hardball, litigate fucking everything, show up in person and keep those DOGE fucks out with sticks and bricks if need be, or at least Livestream and name and shame them, put together a rapid response team to counter the blatantly unconstitutional shit, get commitments from military officials that they will defend the constitution; literally anything besides wheeling out Schumer or Bernie to give another speech that everyone will ignore. I love Bernie, but we’re way past speeches.
Next, start going to protests, start getting involved with trying to push your local government on issues. I am, it’s allowed me to network with other local activists and I’m in a better place to be made aware of local needs and local actions. Also part of this is to check in with your network. I know people that voted Trump 1 and stuck with him all the way through the term that are disgusted with what’s happening now, we have mutual aid plans in place. It’s not much, but it’s a start. This is a good opportunity to plant seeds about mutual aid, protest, general strikes in the future, and organizing.
If you have money, start opening up legal cases. If you don’t, then start leaning on state politicians about whether they have plans to deal with the fallout. It’s finally worth ruminating on about what finally stopped the Nazis’ progress East. It wasn’t clever signs and chants. Don’t be caught unaware for the worst case scenario.
Don’t like what I suggest? Use your fucking noggin and think of something better to do and do it. Even if it’s yelling at passing cars. Do anything besides roll over. No peace for Nazis, ever.
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They knew Elon was up Trump’s butt before the election and we all knew he was going to be doing exactly this. Even the conservatives knew, he literally told them.
So yea, they fucking did choose him, just not officially and he shouldn’t have this much power, and even if it was official he’s ignoring all the laws but the base doesn’t care because they are stupid wastes of the gift of life.
This is only obvious because you didn’t escape the news cycle.
There were a shocking number of people that didn’t even know Biden dropped out. Don’t underestimate how out of touch people can be before making an important decision
Thats not the fault of the availability of the information though.
Being willfuly ignorant and astoundingly stupid is not an excuse. If they were ok with that before then they earned it all the same. My sympathy for them is deep in the negatives.
If RFKjr gives all of them the gift of brainworms, would the brainworms have enough to feed on?
Two birds with one stone, I say. The populations of morons and brainworms would decline significantly.
Ya fair point
They certainly did.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Are we trying to say Trump’s the Hindenberg of our time now? Pretty sure he still counts as a nazi too.
Y’all are right! I just meant that he wasn’t elected, but nah you’re all right they definitely chose Nazis
Deleted my comment so I don’t get more comments telling me how wrong I am lol
I usually just leave my dumb comments up as a reminder to myself (and a warning to others) of the importance of thinking before mouth opens and foot heads north.
…I continue to leave a trail.
I’m sure I’ll have plenty more opportunities to shove my foot in my mouth