To anyone liking this post, be aware that OP is just a rightwing bigoted troll who was banned by blahaj.zone because of it and also believes that CRT and DEI are “Marxist plots”
I am sorry you feel the need to follow me around lemmy and post these lies.
Edit here’s the post on crt and dei, what a shit show to be harassed by someone who just wants to make snap judgements https://lemmy.world/comment/14908431
Were you the guy running a bunch of coms on Lemmy.sdf.org and they were trying to get you an instance ban but the admins weren’t around?
If you just want an account where you shitpost memes, then why are you engaging with everyone in this thread justifying your unpopular political views? You will just get downvoted and most likely banned again. Which makes me think you don’t really want to just shitpost memes.
We don’t like bigots and don’t want to laugh with them. Hiding your bigotry behind bad logic may fool others nearer to your IQ, but anyone with two brain cells to rub together can read between the lines.
The whole anti-CRT and anti-DEI thing has become my cross to bear, apparently. The fact is that these concepts are not being used by people with the best intentions for preserving democracies. If I am being downvoted for pointing out that there are literally anti-democratic people who want authoritarian regimes of one kind or another, then that’s a problem in how people think. It doesn’t make me a bigot.
You, and people like you who don’t understand this, sound idiotic. It shows how little you’ve actually learned about the stance you’re taking.
And the DEI thing? Know who benefits from DEI? Dipshits like Greg Abbott in Texas rolling around in his racist, bigoted wheelchair up the ramps put in place for people who are not fully ambulatory like him. That’s also DEI.
CRT is an academic field, it’s not just a “college course”.
Educators were proposing to teach CRT concepts in middle school or younger before that idea got shot down.
DEI is fine by itself, but the CRT connection tainted it. But some of the climate justice aspects of DEI are troubling to some because they’re worried that it’s just another way to stop their country from achieving its goals.
Climate Justice & DEI
Climate justice refers to the intersection of environmental concerns and social justice. It recognizes that the impacts of climate change disproportionately affect marginalized communities, including people of color, low-income individuals, and indigenous populations. Climate justice recognizes that these communities often face the greatest vulnerability to environmental hazards, lack access to resources and opportunities, and bear the brunt of environmental degradation caused by systemic inequalities. By addressing climate change through a lens of equity and inclusion, climate justice aims to ensure that the solutions to environmental challenges are fair, inclusive, and consider the needs and perspectives of all communities. It is closely related to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) as it acknowledges the interconnectedness of social and environmental issues, and seeks to promote fairness, empower marginalized voices, and dismantle systemic barriers in the pursuit of a sustainable and just future for all.
The post I replied to specifically asked what someone had against those concepts, so I made my comment.
There’s this fervor going around that everyone against these policies is a Nazi, and that’s not the case.
What I got from reading those US military perspectives was that people need to be careful about trusting ideas that look one way on the surface, but have a different intent, so I shared that as a comment.
Witch hunts are definitely not the path we want to take, guys. Let people call each other out on their bullshit, but don’t dogpile on someone because you read the select keywords you’ve been trained to think against.
Thank you, I get that things are making people tense right now but there’s no need to lose hope. As mentioned, regardless of what someone may think of me based on their understanding of what I’ve posted (and let’s be honest, my posts are often lazily written and not explaining all the details bc they’re just casual), I know what side I would have fought on during WWII or during the U.S. civil war. Discussion is one thing, but when it’s do or die, it’s another.
Well, people who become fixed in their way of thinking is a danger of democracy, and why some are convinced that we need authoritarianism for society to keep functioning. I think maybe the issue is that I am just shitposting, but it’s giving someone else a bad mental health day.
I don’t agree with CRT (that legal and social systems help white people only), or that DEI addresses the core issues with bad luck creating uneven conditions for individuals. The core issue is that people of all races and cultures experience bad luck
I’m just reporting what you write :) you should own up what you say. I’m simply giving other users a full picture
Edit: I am very sorry, recent political atmosphere has me on a knife edge - and I can be mean. Please accept my apology, I’m sorry if I made your day worse.
The whole DEI stuff seems a bit like a Trojan horse to sneak in Marxist propaganda. Forcing people to accept immigrants with different cultural pov in a democracy is dangerous because you can end up relinquishing your country to another country’s agenda.
Misinformation and disinformation does exactly that right? It uses ideological lines to create polarization.
So, let’s say a democratic country favors pro-choice policies, but then has an influx of immigrants who are anti-abortion, and now that population is greater. That’s a change of values because the population shifted to a majority opinion which favors a different view point.
If a country has an idealized view of how it wants to be, then I think it’s fair to expect immigrants to integrate and assimilate. I don’t think that has anything to do with xenophobia or excluding different cultures, as long as the core values of a country are maintained. For example, if a country wants to maintain a democratic socialist society, and a greater population of capitalists immigrate to it, then I think that socialist society would want to restrict immigration as well.
None of that is bigoted, it’s just pointing out how democracies are fragile.
I’m not attempting to bad mouth you, I mean what I say, if someone thinks someone is spouting bullshit - they should be allowed to call them out.
However, and this is where my problem is, no one seems to be reading what you’re actually writing. It seems like you’re being brigaded, which is wrong. The downvote button is not an “I dislike this” button, it is an “I don’t think this contributed to the discussion” button.
The only people who are not bothered by being called a racist or bigot are actually those things. If I had to guess these people know I am not those things, but they just don’t like what I’ve said. My guess is that it’s probably .ml alt accounts.
Being against CRT doesn’t mean you’re against anti-discrimination, or giving people better outcomes. Being against DEI doesn’t mean you’re against diversity, equity or inclusion by themselves as concepts. The academics who framed CRT/DEI were some of the most anti-U.S. Marxists, and so I don’t trust their intentions.
Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.
Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.
The whole DEI stuff seems a bit like a Trojan horse to sneak in Marxist propaganda. Forcing people to accept immigrants with different cultural pov in a democracy is dangerous because you can end up relinquishing your country to another country’s agenda
I think we can all see what side you’ll be fighting with
Nothing I wrote is bigoted, it’s just questioning why people should accept some policies when there are people who literally perform ideological warfare against other countries.
Everything you wrote is bigoted. You are simply another rightwing bigoted racist who doesn’t “agree” with CRT (as if an an academic field needed your bigoted approval to exist).
You’re using these labels against me because you want to bully me into being quiet. Because unless someone expresses the same fanatical and extremist beliefs then they’re a bigot. You’re a bigot.
CRT is the analysis of racism within systems of power. Being anti-discrimination and anti-crt are wholly contradictory, because racism is about power. It’s like being anti-cancer and anti-radiation therapy.
I think the problem people have with CRT is framing it to say only white people are favored by those systems. I don’t think the evidence supports that only white people are favored by the system on average, it seems only rich people are favored by these systems on average.
Racism is an intersection of power structures, historical injustice, and poverty. Truth be told, that’s the recipe for all systemic injustice. The US was built for white men; the native Americans were being genocided, women were domestic slaves, and black people were chattel. Because the US reneged on reparations for ex-slaves after the civil war, a vast majority of black Americans entered the society in abject poverty. Because women, slaves, and native Americans had to be totally disenfranchised to be subjugated, laws were made to ensure disenfranchisement was long lasting. The rest of society continued to build up around these discriminatory laws, which could inflict more harm onto the group. A lot of these laws were even color blind; red zoning was on the basis of poverty.
But remember how I said former slaves were in abject poverty? Well, generational wealth plays a part here too. Wealth from family is far more important than we want to admit in this country. Some black people were able to become moderately wealthy, but that’s not everyone or even most people. Most remained in poverty after 1 generation from slavery. When red zoning excluded poverty-stricken areas, they excluded most black people.
But that’s not the end of the story. Now, we’ve understood how red zoning is harmful and repealed those laws. But segregated neighborhoods are even more segregated than before! Why? Well the racist history of enforced poverty makes it hard to build local wealth in those areas, our government has made it exceedingly hard to escape poverty, and poverty is worsening due to wealth accumulation by billionaires.
I agree with all of that, I’ve said similar things myself. I think the problem is that globalism changed the equation, and that’s why you now have Indian Americans who are a core part of Trump’s admin.
If anti-racial people keep saying that the system is rigged against minorities, then rich minorities are always going to be used as counterexamples. Because that’s the reality now, the power structures favor the wealthy, regardless of race, gender, or any other characteristic.
People trying to protect DEI and CRT will just come across as out of touch with reality, and appear as wanting favoritism, especially as the population of poor whites is also growing. If democrats want to win more elections, they should put forth policies that are in the Nordic model so that they help everyone. If anti-racists and inclusive folks want to build a better future for minorities, they have to think outside of the CRT/DEI box because the system now is not unfavorable to minorities, only the poor.
I’m at a loss for words. I just gave you a literal example of CRT that you agree with, but you’re still going on about how it isn’t relevant and “backwards”. The laws have to dismantle the biases built into the system before we can safely remove DEI programs without risk of unfair exclusion. I also want a world where those programs are no longer necessary. We have to build it first.
To anyone liking this post, be aware that OP is just a rightwing bigoted troll who was banned by blahaj.zone because of it and also believes that CRT and DEI are “Marxist plots”
I am sorry you feel the need to follow me around lemmy and post these lies.
Edit here’s the post on crt and dei, what a shit show to be harassed by someone who just wants to make snap judgements https://lemmy.world/comment/14908431
Were you the guy running a bunch of coms on Lemmy.sdf.org and they were trying to get you an instance ban but the admins weren’t around?
If you just want an account where you shitpost memes, then why are you engaging with everyone in this thread justifying your unpopular political views? You will just get downvoted and most likely banned again. Which makes me think you don’t really want to just shitpost memes.
Not me.
We don’t like bigots and don’t want to laugh with them. Hiding your bigotry behind bad logic may fool others nearer to your IQ, but anyone with two brain cells to rub together can read between the lines.
Explain how I am a bigot, or else you’re basically accusing me of thought crimes like any authoritarian bigot.
He just fucking did in this post. We can obviously see you’re also brain dead. GTFO.
Edit: And here.
The whole anti-CRT and anti-DEI thing has become my cross to bear, apparently. The fact is that these concepts are not being used by people with the best intentions for preserving democracies. If I am being downvoted for pointing out that there are literally anti-democratic people who want authoritarian regimes of one kind or another, then that’s a problem in how people think. It doesn’t make me a bigot.
Edit, the second post you linked to is mine.
You do realize “CRT” is a college level course. Not something taught in grade school, middle school, or high school… right? Right?
Duke
U of V
You, and people like you who don’t understand this, sound idiotic. It shows how little you’ve actually learned about the stance you’re taking.
And the DEI thing? Know who benefits from DEI? Dipshits like Greg Abbott in Texas rolling around in his racist, bigoted wheelchair up the ramps put in place for people who are not fully ambulatory like him. That’s also DEI.
GTFO.
CRT is an academic field, it’s not just a “college course”.
Educators were proposing to teach CRT concepts in middle school or younger before that idea got shot down.
DEI is fine by itself, but the CRT connection tainted it. But some of the climate justice aspects of DEI are troubling to some because they’re worried that it’s just another way to stop their country from achieving its goals.
https://libguides.whitworth.edu/c.php?g=1327622
I think the issues facing any country are greater than just culture war issues. The culture war stuff is a huge distraction.
And academic field taught at what level, pray tell? I’m done with you.
Blocked.
Yeah I don’t know what your motivation is for your post, but it reads exactly like every sea lion I’ve seen on this platform.
The post I replied to specifically asked what someone had against those concepts, so I made my comment.
There’s this fervor going around that everyone against these policies is a Nazi, and that’s not the case.
What I got from reading those US military perspectives was that people need to be careful about trusting ideas that look one way on the surface, but have a different intent, so I shared that as a comment.
Fair enough, I’ll retract my snap judgement.
Witch hunts are definitely not the path we want to take, guys. Let people call each other out on their bullshit, but don’t dogpile on someone because you read the select keywords you’ve been trained to think against.
Thank you, I get that things are making people tense right now but there’s no need to lose hope. As mentioned, regardless of what someone may think of me based on their understanding of what I’ve posted (and let’s be honest, my posts are often lazily written and not explaining all the details bc they’re just casual), I know what side I would have fought on during WWII or during the U.S. civil war. Discussion is one thing, but when it’s do or die, it’s another.
A sad hill to die on indeed…
Well, people who become fixed in their way of thinking is a danger of democracy, and why some are convinced that we need authoritarianism for society to keep functioning. I think maybe the issue is that I am just shitposting, but it’s giving someone else a bad mental health day.
Isn’t this you as well?
I’m just reporting what you write :) you should own up what you say. I’m simply giving other users a full picture
Would you point out what fetish someone is interested in a comic sub?
No, because some subs don’t give a fuck and some topics are irrelevant in another topic.
Fuck off with following people around and keep your drama to yourself.
Let people call each other out on their bullshit.
Edit: I am very sorry, recent political atmosphere has me on a knife edge - and I can be mean. Please accept my apology, I’m sorry if I made your day worse.
I think the goal here is to bully me away from posting. But I won’t. You’re the ones who are bigoted.
I already wrote my goal. To give people a better picture of OP’s views. You should read more carefully the replies you get lol
LMAO
“I’m not racist, you’re racist”
This is still you, yes?
Misinformation and disinformation does exactly that right? It uses ideological lines to create polarization.
So, let’s say a democratic country favors pro-choice policies, but then has an influx of immigrants who are anti-abortion, and now that population is greater. That’s a change of values because the population shifted to a majority opinion which favors a different view point.
If a country has an idealized view of how it wants to be, then I think it’s fair to expect immigrants to integrate and assimilate. I don’t think that has anything to do with xenophobia or excluding different cultures, as long as the core values of a country are maintained. For example, if a country wants to maintain a democratic socialist society, and a greater population of capitalists immigrate to it, then I think that socialist society would want to restrict immigration as well.
None of that is bigoted, it’s just pointing out how democracies are fragile.
I’m not attempting to bad mouth you, I mean what I say, if someone thinks someone is spouting bullshit - they should be allowed to call them out.
However, and this is where my problem is, no one seems to be reading what you’re actually writing. It seems like you’re being brigaded, which is wrong. The downvote button is not an “I dislike this” button, it is an “I don’t think this contributed to the discussion” button.
The only people who are not bothered by being called a racist or bigot are actually those things. If I had to guess these people know I am not those things, but they just don’t like what I’ve said. My guess is that it’s probably .ml alt accounts.
Lmao that’s an extremely disingenuous and incorrect comparison. At most it would be:
Would you point out that someone is a transphobic rightwing troll in a comic sub?
And the answer is yes. I don’t tolerate those people. But you’re probably fine with them, I’m guessing
Except I am not right wing or transphobic. You’re judging me as such based on your understanding of what I am saying.
You’re just mad that someone else posts something you disagree with, that doesn’t mean that person is a bigot. I think you need to grow up.
Yes, and? What about that is bigoted?
Being against CRT doesn’t mean you’re against anti-discrimination, or giving people better outcomes. Being against DEI doesn’t mean you’re against diversity, equity or inclusion by themselves as concepts. The academics who framed CRT/DEI were some of the most anti-U.S. Marxists, and so I don’t trust their intentions.
Listen, I am not racist, homophobic or transphobic or anything which looks down on others. If the US ever came to a civil war, I know what side I am fighting on.
This was your comment, yes?
I think we can all see what side you’ll be fighting with
Nothing I wrote is bigoted, it’s just questioning why people should accept some policies when there are people who literally perform ideological warfare against other countries.
Everything you wrote is bigoted. You are simply another rightwing bigoted racist who doesn’t “agree” with CRT (as if an an academic field needed your bigoted approval to exist).
Get fucked
You’re using these labels against me because you want to bully me into being quiet. Because unless someone expresses the same fanatical and extremist beliefs then they’re a bigot. You’re a bigot.
I don’t care about silencing you lmao. I specifically wrote that 3 TIMES ALREADY lmao.
You racists really love your victim-complex AND projection, uh?
Again, get fucked bigot
CRT is the analysis of racism within systems of power. Being anti-discrimination and anti-crt are wholly contradictory, because racism is about power. It’s like being anti-cancer and anti-radiation therapy.
I think the problem people have with CRT is framing it to say only white people are favored by those systems. I don’t think the evidence supports that only white people are favored by the system on average, it seems only rich people are favored by these systems on average.
Racism is an intersection of power structures, historical injustice, and poverty. Truth be told, that’s the recipe for all systemic injustice. The US was built for white men; the native Americans were being genocided, women were domestic slaves, and black people were chattel. Because the US reneged on reparations for ex-slaves after the civil war, a vast majority of black Americans entered the society in abject poverty. Because women, slaves, and native Americans had to be totally disenfranchised to be subjugated, laws were made to ensure disenfranchisement was long lasting. The rest of society continued to build up around these discriminatory laws, which could inflict more harm onto the group. A lot of these laws were even color blind; red zoning was on the basis of poverty.
But remember how I said former slaves were in abject poverty? Well, generational wealth plays a part here too. Wealth from family is far more important than we want to admit in this country. Some black people were able to become moderately wealthy, but that’s not everyone or even most people. Most remained in poverty after 1 generation from slavery. When red zoning excluded poverty-stricken areas, they excluded most black people.
But that’s not the end of the story. Now, we’ve understood how red zoning is harmful and repealed those laws. But segregated neighborhoods are even more segregated than before! Why? Well the racist history of enforced poverty makes it hard to build local wealth in those areas, our government has made it exceedingly hard to escape poverty, and poverty is worsening due to wealth accumulation by billionaires.
I agree with all of that, I’ve said similar things myself. I think the problem is that globalism changed the equation, and that’s why you now have Indian Americans who are a core part of Trump’s admin.
If anti-racial people keep saying that the system is rigged against minorities, then rich minorities are always going to be used as counterexamples. Because that’s the reality now, the power structures favor the wealthy, regardless of race, gender, or any other characteristic.
People trying to protect DEI and CRT will just come across as out of touch with reality, and appear as wanting favoritism, especially as the population of poor whites is also growing. If democrats want to win more elections, they should put forth policies that are in the Nordic model so that they help everyone. If anti-racists and inclusive folks want to build a better future for minorities, they have to think outside of the CRT/DEI box because the system now is not unfavorable to minorities, only the poor.
I’m at a loss for words. I just gave you a literal example of CRT that you agree with, but you’re still going on about how it isn’t relevant and “backwards”. The laws have to dismantle the biases built into the system before we can safely remove DEI programs without risk of unfair exclusion. I also want a world where those programs are no longer necessary. We have to build it first.