Yep starting at less than $12,000 US in China, I can’t imagine a sub-20K MSRP would be entirely out of the question

      • the_weez
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        Big, ugly, crap range. GM just doesn’t get it anymore. Make an electric car that’s not an ugly piece of crap and they might sell some.

        • @[email protected]
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          220 miles of range is plenty for a commuter car for a family with a 2nd car with more range. Not everything needs to be a 1 car solution.

          • Nougat
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            I bet in the winter in the upper midwest that range drops to like 110 miles.

            • @[email protected]
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              I have a Chevy Bolt with identical range and can confirm that range is halved in Winter. Still no big deal in urban areas. My 1-hour commute to the other side of the city is only 8 miles. I just charge the car every-other week for an hour. Ezpz.

              • @[email protected]
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                119 hours ago

                From what I’m reading the Chevy bolt does not have a heat pump and it seems that most of your commute is just standing still in traffic.

                In these conditions it makes sense that range goes down in winter but for longer drive with a more recent EV it’s not really an issue anymore.

                I barely noticed any difference in range in winter compared to summer with my EV. I have to admit though that winters are quite mild here.

              • riquisimo
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                120 hours ago

                8 miles in one hour? At that point you could almost bike if it wasn’t freezing. You could bike at a steady 10mph, though it would take nearly an hour.

            • @[email protected]
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              522 hours ago

              Rated range, meaning 100%-0% in near-ideal conditions, drops significantly in the winter. Battery conditioning and a cold start can drop it by 35% if it’s using resistive heat (as opposed to a heat pump), plus reserve capacity on both sides (you don’t usually want to go below 20% or above 80%, to maintain battery health).

              I recommend people take the listed rating and cut it in half for real world use in bad conditions. For instance, if you need to travel somewhere that’s 75 miles away (150 round trip) in the middle of winter without charging, then you need a battery rated for 300 miles. You can obviously get by with less if charging along the way is viable, and these are just estimates. If your route is 80 mph, it will suck down a lot more juice than the same distance at 55.

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          It’s ugly and high, but not big:

          Length 3,381 mm (133.1 in)
          Width 1,685 mm (66.3 in)
          Height 1,721 mm (67.8 in)
          Kerb weight 1,006 kg (2,218 lb).

          • the_weez
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            523 hours ago

            Man, that curb weight seems completely off for that tall of a vehicle. If it’s true, than sure it’s just tall and ugly and not that heavy. Sport Utility Vehicles that aren’t sporty, don’t have much utility should just be cars. Tall vehicles objectively drive worse, and are less safe for everyone.

            • @[email protected]
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              523 hours ago

              Because cars made for the US have tons of extra stuff and weight for safety and cars made for other countties don’t have to have it.

    • @[email protected]
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      121 hours ago

      I wouldn’t want it if it was. GM quality is notoriously terrible. Look at their 4 cyl turbo engines in the past decade. I’d rather buy a Hyundai than a GM and Hyundai engine quality has been shit since firever.

      • @[email protected]
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        215 hours ago

        Me neither. I used to work at an auto shop and the cars that needed struts and shocks and wheel bearings replaced at the 6 year point or earlier were all GM.

        That being said, I still want it available in the North American market. There are so few EVs available in Canada. More diversity and price points would be nice. EVs here are strictly luxury cars. There isn’t a single cheap EV available.