This is in regards to our brethren down south, poking fun at 2nd amendmenters and their manly façade. Seems like cons all over the globe mostly like to larp as strong men but like if you gotta hide behind a firearm, are you really manly? 🤷♂️
He is a thirst trap though even after ten years in office. He’s only 53 seems very young to retire. I’m curious to know what he does next. UN ambassador? Ambassador for Canada to France?
I’ll also always remember how the Liberals pulled a judo-reverse on the Conservatives by turning their main line of attack back against them. I knew from the moment I saw that ad with Trudeau on the escalator that the Liberals would win.
I don’t know if my memory of that era comports with actual history, but this is how I remember it playing out:
It looked like the Conservative attack ads were going to win the election for them again, just as they had against Dion and Ignatieff. They were ahead and gaining in the polls, and the Liberals seemed to have no response. The slogan was, “Trudeau: he’s just not ready.”
Then the polls stabilized for a few days, and the Liberals released that ad. The polls started rapidly reversing, and the Liberals decisively swept into power. I don’t think I even saw another, “he’s not ready,” attack ad from the Conservatives again after that.
EDIT: One can debate how much of an effect that ad had, and whether Trudeau’s actions matched it’s promises, but for me it will always stick out as a good bit of political strategy.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
See single transferable vote (STV): A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. It’s still a work in progress, but lays out a good framework for discussing electoral systems.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
I never said proportional representation requires political parties. I said, and I quote, “Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.” meaning the system PR is being tacked on to doesn’t work and we aren’t fixing anything switching from FPTP to PR if we keep the party system.
The party system is the single biggest issue with our Politics. It prevents independents from ever being elected and allows a few parties to control the entire political landscape and narrative.
Which is why the entire history of Canada has been Conservative Government, Liberal Opposition or Liberal Government, Conservative opposition on a federal level excluding that one time because the right old white guy lead the NDP.
The point is we need a complete overhaul, and not a tune up so electoral reform should mean the entire system if we are going to go through with it because it is a huge undertaking.
I also do not need to have you pretentiously offer me “simple guides to political systems” because I think you are wrong.
There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…
The reason we have two major parties is described in Duverger’s law. You don’t have to think I’m right or wrong, because this is just the reality.
“Parties” are inevitable just by simple human nature. It’s the same reason cliques exist in highschool; We gravitate towards people we agree with and eventually (either purposefully or not) begin to align our decision making.
Trudeau will be remembered for many things
including all the conservatives that wanted to fuck him.
Many men were disappointed when arriving at the Ram Ranch to find Trudeau wasn’t there.
But they made due.
This is in regards to our brethren down south, poking fun at 2nd amendmenters and their manly façade. Seems like cons all over the globe mostly like to larp as strong men but like if you gotta hide behind a firearm, are you really manly? 🤷♂️
“Hurt me but make me feel safe at the same time, you pussy liberals” https://youtu.be/TY0eUQ06Q2g
He is a thirst trap though even after ten years in office. He’s only 53 seems very young to retire. I’m curious to know what he does next. UN ambassador? Ambassador for Canada to France?
I hope we keep him around as Chief Toddler Wrangler every time Trump comes sniffing around.
I’m not a big Trudeau fan but he’s amazing at dealing with that creep. Remember the handshake during Trump’s first term?
Yeah totally, he countered Trumps weak “power handshake” and that was awesome.
Ambassador for Canada to the USA. :-D
I don’t think Trudeau is a masochist like that.
Just finding out I’m a raging conservative. Oh god, I need to sit down… On his lap…
I loved that the original attack ad they had when he was first running for Prime Minister was that he was too young and handsome to be a leader.
He DID have nice hair.
I’m embarrassed they latched onto his hair. And now, all they can say is ‘carbon tax’, like we’re all rich enough where it’s a tax and not a benefit.
Used to have nice hair, still does, but used to too.
I like it a bit wilder.
I’ll also always remember how the Liberals pulled a judo-reverse on the Conservatives by turning their main line of attack back against them. I knew from the moment I saw that ad with Trudeau on the escalator that the Liberals would win.
Oh, do you have a link? I’m not Canadian but that sounds interesting.
E: Nvm found it.
Ah. YOW. Know it well.
That’s the one.
I don’t know if my memory of that era comports with actual history, but this is how I remember it playing out:
It looked like the Conservative attack ads were going to win the election for them again, just as they had against Dion and Ignatieff. They were ahead and gaining in the polls, and the Liberals seemed to have no response. The slogan was, “Trudeau: he’s just not ready.”
Then the polls stabilized for a few days, and the Liberals released that ad. The polls started rapidly reversing, and the Liberals decisively swept into power. I don’t think I even saw another, “he’s not ready,” attack ad from the Conservatives again after that.
EDIT: One can debate how much of an effect that ad had, and whether Trudeau’s actions matched it’s promises, but for me it will always stick out as a good bit of political strategy.
Nice hair, though
I guess that’s why the cons dumped o toole he had no hair
In hindsight he was the best leader they had in a long time
But the Cons are kind of like the scorpion and the frog and I did not trust them one bit.
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And for letting us down on proportional representation: [email protected]
That was defintely the beginning of the end for Trudeau. And lost him all the young voters.
Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
See single transferable vote (STV): A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. It’s still a work in progress, but lays out a good framework for discussing electoral systems.
I never said proportional representation requires political parties. I said, and I quote, “Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.” meaning the system PR is being tacked on to doesn’t work and we aren’t fixing anything switching from FPTP to PR if we keep the party system.
The party system is the single biggest issue with our Politics. It prevents independents from ever being elected and allows a few parties to control the entire political landscape and narrative.
Which is why the entire history of Canada has been Conservative Government, Liberal Opposition or Liberal Government, Conservative opposition on a federal level excluding that one time because the right old white guy lead the NDP.
The point is we need a complete overhaul, and not a tune up so electoral reform should mean the entire system if we are going to go through with it because it is a huge undertaking.
I also do not need to have you pretentiously offer me “simple guides to political systems” because I think you are wrong.
There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…
The reason we have two major parties is described in Duverger’s law. You don’t have to think I’m right or wrong, because this is just the reality.
“Parties” are inevitable just by simple human nature. It’s the same reason cliques exist in highschool; We gravitate towards people we agree with and eventually (either purposefully or not) begin to align our decision making.
Our tribalism is one of our greatest weakness’ and the ability to change our base responses and nature is one of our greatest strengths as a species.
You only think they were going to choose the most complex voting scheme out there.
Can you explain more? What voting scheme did you have in mind?