So I reached the wrong conclusion, but you did a lot of research and found no one who made a sound card that can reliably work on Linux except one overpriced company.
This is what you yourself reiterated. Not sure where the disconnect is.
My onboard sound works fine. Purchased the hardware years before deciding to even try Linux. You are trying to make one specific scenario out to be the norm but it’s clearly not.
In my initial comment, I state that my situation isn’t typical, and that I’m outside the bubble of typical hardware and use case. I state why I use two sound cards. I state what is wrong with the drivers, my attempts to resolve it, my search for alternative hardware, and why falling back to a more basic setup in unacceptable.
I’m not ‘making a specific scenario’, this is my main machine I use daily. You are literally proving my point, about the ‘bubble’ of users that use basic hardware and think everything is fine, but those who use things that aren’t common hit snags and issues. And then you want to blame me for using hardware that I’ve used for years? Are you actually kidding me?
I am blaming you for claiming one literally cannot find sound hardware that works on Linux. It is a false statement. You can say whatever you want about “support” and pretend that is a standard to measure by but the actual truth you intend to obscure is that for nearly any sound hardware, it will work without any effort or attention paid whatsoever. It doesn’t matter in the least what companies claim to support Linux. 99% chance it works fine for any given random hardware.
‘I cannot find an add-on sound card that claims compatability with Linux at a reasonable cost’ != ‘everyone with a Linux machine doesn’t have sound’.
Find me a pci sound card that can handle 5.1 channel audio over 3.5mm. I spent a couple hours several weeks ago and came up empty (excluding the aforementioned card for creators).
That’s demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how support works on Linux. You won’t find many pieces of hardware that claim support and yet nearly all of it works with the OS, usually with little to zero effort. I can’t be sure if you know this and pretend not to, or somehow missed it, but that’s how it works.
Forum posts and my own experience say that cards from Creative Labs and Asus, which both work correctly under windows, fail to achieve correct output above 2.0 (2.1?). There are almost no other options for pci add-on sound cards, being a niche market for the last 15 years or so.
So, unless you can point me to a card that I can purchase today and that has either a manufacturer-backed statement of compatability, or there are current owners who own that card, this conversation is over. I’ve given you way too much of my time, misunderstanding and misinterpret what is a basic concept and statement, such that you are not acting in good faith. I’d be happy to find a card that fits my quite basic requirements, but everything that I came across myself had reports of issues, or dead-end forum posts where no solution was reached.
Well, when you are approached by someone who doesn’t read nor understand the conversation or arguments brought forth, who then argues with you regarding said topic and situations - in which you have personal experience with - and who reiterates the same argument that is based on flawed data and assumptions, causing you to stay up for several hours as you try and explain the situation and points, while you grow more and more frustrated (see all points ststed above)… and at the conclusion of the conversation, they have added no value nor insight to the original discussion which, again, they didn’t fully understand… you let me know at what stage you’d be a bit frustrated.
Myself, I give people waaayyyyyyy too much credit, leeway, benefit of the doubt. Way too much. And most of the time, yeah, it’s a misunderstanding, they appreciate the kindness, everyone is happy. But others, it’s just malace, trying to harm me, break me.
I can be the nicest guy in the world, and people will still say I’m an asshole because they disagree with something, or they don’t understand what my core statements are, or any other number of reasons. I used to be that way, nice to everyone all the time, even those who used me, exploited me, manipulated me. I stopped being a pushover after I suffered my stroke, effectively losing function of half my body. After that, nah, not anymore. I wasted my whole life up until that point kissing behinds and getting shit in return. I don’t do that anymore.
I don’t care if you dislike me. I don’t care what you think about me in any capacity, frankly. It would all be wrong anyway, so why get worked up over it. But what I’ve learned in the twilight hours of this morning, is that all your aggravation pointed at me, isn’t my fault. And that is so… relaxing. Comforting.
Anyway, I’m finally off to bed now. The sun is rising, and I’m exhausted.
Yeah I saw you be hostile to someone for trying to show you empathy. Then you wrote a long bad faith argument claiming sound support for your case isn’t a thing. So it’s rich for you to blame others for the conversation not going well.
You can “miss me” with the “I’m such a good person and everyone who has an issue with me isn’t” act which any fool can see through.
So I reached the wrong conclusion, but you did a lot of research and found no one who made a sound card that can reliably work on Linux except one overpriced company.
This is what you yourself reiterated. Not sure where the disconnect is.
My onboard sound works fine. Purchased the hardware years before deciding to even try Linux. You are trying to make one specific scenario out to be the norm but it’s clearly not.
In my initial comment, I state that my situation isn’t typical, and that I’m outside the bubble of typical hardware and use case. I state why I use two sound cards. I state what is wrong with the drivers, my attempts to resolve it, my search for alternative hardware, and why falling back to a more basic setup in unacceptable.
I’m not ‘making a specific scenario’, this is my main machine I use daily. You are literally proving my point, about the ‘bubble’ of users that use basic hardware and think everything is fine, but those who use things that aren’t common hit snags and issues. And then you want to blame me for using hardware that I’ve used for years? Are you actually kidding me?
I am blaming you for claiming one literally cannot find sound hardware that works on Linux. It is a false statement. You can say whatever you want about “support” and pretend that is a standard to measure by but the actual truth you intend to obscure is that for nearly any sound hardware, it will work without any effort or attention paid whatsoever. It doesn’t matter in the least what companies claim to support Linux. 99% chance it works fine for any given random hardware.
‘I cannot find an add-on sound card that claims compatability with Linux at a reasonable cost’ != ‘everyone with a Linux machine doesn’t have sound’.
Find me a pci sound card that can handle 5.1 channel audio over 3.5mm. I spent a couple hours several weeks ago and came up empty (excluding the aforementioned card for creators).
That’s demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how support works on Linux. You won’t find many pieces of hardware that claim support and yet nearly all of it works with the OS, usually with little to zero effort. I can’t be sure if you know this and pretend not to, or somehow missed it, but that’s how it works.
Forum posts and my own experience say that cards from Creative Labs and Asus, which both work correctly under windows, fail to achieve correct output above 2.0 (2.1?). There are almost no other options for pci add-on sound cards, being a niche market for the last 15 years or so.
So, unless you can point me to a card that I can purchase today and that has either a manufacturer-backed statement of compatability, or there are current owners who own that card, this conversation is over. I’ve given you way too much of my time, misunderstanding and misinterpret what is a basic concept and statement, such that you are not acting in good faith. I’d be happy to find a card that fits my quite basic requirements, but everything that I came across myself had reports of issues, or dead-end forum posts where no solution was reached.
So, do you have a card for me or not?
I can say two things. The way you write here makes me dislike you.
If that was my problem to solve, I would.
Well, when you are approached by someone who doesn’t read nor understand the conversation or arguments brought forth, who then argues with you regarding said topic and situations - in which you have personal experience with - and who reiterates the same argument that is based on flawed data and assumptions, causing you to stay up for several hours as you try and explain the situation and points, while you grow more and more frustrated (see all points ststed above)… and at the conclusion of the conversation, they have added no value nor insight to the original discussion which, again, they didn’t fully understand… you let me know at what stage you’d be a bit frustrated.
Myself, I give people waaayyyyyyy too much credit, leeway, benefit of the doubt. Way too much. And most of the time, yeah, it’s a misunderstanding, they appreciate the kindness, everyone is happy. But others, it’s just malace, trying to harm me, break me.
I can be the nicest guy in the world, and people will still say I’m an asshole because they disagree with something, or they don’t understand what my core statements are, or any other number of reasons. I used to be that way, nice to everyone all the time, even those who used me, exploited me, manipulated me. I stopped being a pushover after I suffered my stroke, effectively losing function of half my body. After that, nah, not anymore. I wasted my whole life up until that point kissing behinds and getting shit in return. I don’t do that anymore.
I don’t care if you dislike me. I don’t care what you think about me in any capacity, frankly. It would all be wrong anyway, so why get worked up over it. But what I’ve learned in the twilight hours of this morning, is that all your aggravation pointed at me, isn’t my fault. And that is so… relaxing. Comforting.
Anyway, I’m finally off to bed now. The sun is rising, and I’m exhausted.
Yeah I saw you be hostile to someone for trying to show you empathy. Then you wrote a long bad faith argument claiming sound support for your case isn’t a thing. So it’s rich for you to blame others for the conversation not going well.
You can “miss me” with the “I’m such a good person and everyone who has an issue with me isn’t” act which any fool can see through.