• LemmyKnowsBest
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    18 hours ago

    I’ve heard that heroin is cripplingly addictive & makes people’s faces gaunt & haggardly & destroys lives.

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      17 hours ago

      They just say that because they want to keep more heroin for themselves.

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        12 hours ago

        Heroin is not even considered a gateway drug, it’s that safe.

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      15 hours ago

      That’s an overly kind description of it. I’ve never known anyone to use more than a little opiates without completely obliterating their life, or coming extremely close to doing so.

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      17 hours ago

      Poverty and trauma makes peoples faces gaunt and haggardly and destroys lives. Heroin addiction is one of many other potential symptoms of poverty and trauma. Plenty of people use opiates and opioids medically and recreationally to no ill effects. The drugs are a comfortable scapegoat for people who care more about maintaining their personal status quo than the ability for other people to survive.

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          11 hours ago

          I don’t use, personally, though I have had opiates for acute pain as most people have. I’m just not a judgemental asshole. Opium isn’t the problem, fent is.

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            10 hours ago

            I would go as far as to say no single chemical is “the problem” and that entire perspective is brutally reductionist. There are so many problems with the way we’re living, pinning the blame on the existence of temporary escape is so backwards and cruel it’s hard for me to imagine what makes someone think that way. “TrickDacy” is really showing their whole ass here

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        15 hours ago

        Plenty of people use opiates and opioids medically and recreationally to no ill effects.

        A dangerous lie that is insane to have not been downvoted dozens of times minimum.

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          If this were such a dangerous lie, opioids wouldn’t be prescribed and used medically without ill effects.

          What do you think the likelihood is of developing problematic use following a course of opioids?

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            15 hours ago

            I know several people whose lives were entirely wrecked by opiates. This is a dangerous fucking pack of lies that should get you banned for spreading. This is several times worse than spreading anti vaxx rhetoric.

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              14 hours ago

              I know multiple functional addicts. I know way more non functional addicts, but it’s not as black and white as you want it to be.

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                14 hours ago

                I could also possibly live years of my life walking in the middle of streets with fast driving cars. But it still would be an absolute fact that it’s a senseless risk to take

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              14 hours ago

              They shouldn’t be handed out like candy, as they did in the USA.

              I’m with you on that.

              Still doesn’t make my stuff a lie, especially what I said about myself

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                14 hours ago

                It’s a lie to suggest opiates aren’t dangerous and any issue with them should be blamed on anyone else involved. They are incredibly dangerous. It’s absurd I have to even say that.

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                  14 hours ago

                  I didn’t say that

                  They are dangerous, but they are also commonly used in medical situations - like pretty much any surgery

                  Why isn’t everyone becoming a junkie?

                  In my personal experience, everyone having trouble of getting rid of an opiate addiction, tried to mask some other problems with it.

                  The drug itself can’t be really blamed, because it’s not jumping into your mouth.
                  People put it there.

                  So, why do they do it?

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                    Why isn’t everyone becoming a junkie?

                    Because firstly, not everyone has access to those drugs, and secondly, anti-drug messaging has been somewhat effective. Ask 50 random people if heroin should be legal, probably 48-49 say no.

                    everyone having trouble of getting rid of an opiate addiction, tried to mask some other problems with it.

                    This is victim blaming, even worse than before. Fucking yikes.

                    So, why do they do it?

                    There definitely are people really susceptible to addiction and decided to try it once and never stopped. Because there are a lot of mixed messages in the world about drugs. Many movies and musical acts romanticize drug abuse. Also, life is hard, people are looking for an escape. The last thing we need is people spreading the message that heroin “isn’t that bad”. Young kids are sometimes on this platform and are susceptible to a toxic message like that.

                    You make it seem like I’m a tee-totaller or something and I’m not. I’m just against the message that hard drugs “aren’t that bad”. It’s harmful. Less people should try highly addictive drugs, not more. Just because some people can “handle it” doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to promote.

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            15 hours ago

            You left an edit that basically blamed people for their mental problems, in service of defending the most dangerously addictive drug maybe to ever exist.

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              14 hours ago

              That was not what I meant to do

              I’m not blaming anyone.
              I’m just saying we should focus more on mental health problems, than punishing drug crimes - because drugs aren’t the problem, but how we as a society handle people with problems

              I thought, I made that clear enough with the “trying to function” part

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                14 hours ago

                There is nothing about acknowledging the dangers of highly addictive substances which says we should punish their users. You definitely shifted blame off the substance itself. Which is quite odd to me, unless your goal is to encourage people to use those drugs.

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                  13 hours ago

                  And let’s maybe try again:

                  I think, we’re having a social problem.

                  Just like guns can’t be freely distributed in our current society, drugs shouldn’t be as well.

                  But it’s a social problem. A gun doesn’t kill someone, a drug doesn’t forcefully inject itself into you.
                  They are things, they can’t be blamed.

                  We need to work on the social problems, that give us gun violence and drug problems.

                  But we should start by taking responsibility.
                  Drug land isn’t Disney land, where nothing can hurt you.

                  Edit: that’s why I think education is so important, and everywhere we’re cutting it down and blame stuff instead

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                    12 hours ago

                    that’s why I think education is so important,

                    So then you retract your statements that make it seem like opiates are something one can safely experiment with. Good.

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                  14 hours ago

                  Of course, because a thing that can’t act on its own is a very weird thing to blame.

                  People have some might over their decisions - at least in my understanding of a free will.

                  I can’t blame something. I can blame a doctor who didn’t tell me everything or a dealer lying to me, but I can’t blame a substance

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        11 hours ago

        Just wanted to say this was an insightful and empathetic post from someone who clearly has a lot more direct experience than the guy going off about heroin itself chemically ruining lives