Communists shouldn’t defend the Russian Federation. Yet for inexplicable reasons, many self-proclaimed communists online do so. Typically they’re tankies with all sorts of other problematic opinions.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but it doesn’t happen in the places I frequent - and I frequent a LOT of Leftist communities.
Edit: People are pointing to the Tankies Lemmy community. The place designed for tankies. I’m not arguing they don’t exist. I’m aruing against the people saying they’re all over the place and pervasive in other communities and that they’re not a commonality and not the usual communist/socialist.
Pointing to the Tankies communities doesn’t change anything I’ve said.
They don’t. I’m a communist. I’ve had to purge my social media, including avowed communists on tiktok, over how they’ve went full mask off with regurgitating fascist Russian propaganda.
The reality is that a lot of people are just not that clever. They are contrarians. That is why the US invading Iraq is bad, but Russia invading Ukraine is good. That’s why the US has blood on its hands for the genocide of Native Americans, but not the Russian Federation for steps of equal or greater measure.
The reality is that a lot of creators put a mask on. They are personalities. Sometimes it slips off. Infighting has always been a problem in communism. We are so easy to divide, and the most violent and genocidal tended to seize control of movements in history. Because we fight each other instead of them.
The reality is that a lot of people are just not that clever. They are contrarians. That is why the US invading Iraq is bad, but Russia invading Ukraine is good.
Holy shit, this and all the spontaneous “USA bad Russia/China did nothing wrong” bullshit is so unbelievable. And they all assume everyone who disagrees lives in the US for some reason LOL
If I tallied the amount of times I’ve seen tankies on this site vs number of times I’ve seen someone freaked out about them it would be something like 0/200 and it’s been like a day.
I’m an unabashed leftist who has been active in leftist spaces online since “leftist spaces online” meant particular groups on usenet and I see Russia apologists masquerading as socialists almost every day
This whole thread is basically just tankies frothing over military aid sent to Ukraine and me of course having the dumbest discussion of ny life. Just an example but they are simply insane or stupid, or just insanely stupid.
It’s rampant in certain ML communities. A lot of people are so caught up in their reasonable opposition to the US, it’s foreign policy and the military industrial complex that they start to see any US enemy in a positive light, despite many of those enemies being significantly worse.
I think the problem is that the meme chooses to use the term “communist” rather than “tankie.” No principled communist would defend a plutocratic petrol state like current day Russia, unless they simply opposed the west more than they supported Marxism. It seems like this meme is targeted at centrist Americans and right wing liberals who think poorly of communism because they were alive during the Cold War, and think antifa hurts their cause more than they help. The peacenik one is pretty spot on, but the first two kind of suck.
No arguments there, the first two def could’ve done with better labels. I’m just shitposting from my ‘best of’ folders while the Fediverse finds its feet, not a content creator, so I do apologize for the problems caused by the share.
Communists don’t defend Russia
Communists shouldn’t defend the Russian Federation. Yet for inexplicable reasons, many self-proclaimed communists online do so. Typically they’re tankies with all sorts of other problematic opinions.
I have literally never seen it.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but it doesn’t happen in the places I frequent - and I frequent a LOT of Leftist communities.
Edit: People are pointing to the Tankies Lemmy community. The place designed for tankies. I’m not arguing they don’t exist. I’m aruing against the people saying they’re all over the place and pervasive in other communities and that they’re not a commonality and not the usual communist/socialist.
Pointing to the Tankies communities doesn’t change anything I’ve said.
I have no clue how that’s possible considering how the Ukraine war has caused their apologia to crawl out of the woodwork.
Do you think it’s possible they only exist in right wing spaces in order to incite outrage and justify the rights views on socialism/communism.
They don’t. I’m a communist. I’ve had to purge my social media, including avowed communists on tiktok, over how they’ve went full mask off with regurgitating fascist Russian propaganda.
The reality is that a lot of people are just not that clever. They are contrarians. That is why the US invading Iraq is bad, but Russia invading Ukraine is good. That’s why the US has blood on its hands for the genocide of Native Americans, but not the Russian Federation for steps of equal or greater measure.
The reality is that a lot of creators put a mask on. They are personalities. Sometimes it slips off. Infighting has always been a problem in communism. We are so easy to divide, and the most violent and genocidal tended to seize control of movements in history. Because we fight each other instead of them.
Holy shit, this and all the spontaneous “USA bad Russia/China did nothing wrong” bullshit is so unbelievable. And they all assume everyone who disagrees lives in the US for some reason LOL
Is lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad a right wing space?
Oh wait, there’s actually no difference between lefties and righties!
If I tallied the amount of times I’ve seen tankies on this site vs number of times I’ve seen someone freaked out about them it would be something like 0/200 and it’s been like a day.
That just means you’re not very good at identifying tankies.
Lol. Dey everywhere! Look there’s one now. No, wait thats a cat post. It could have been one, tho!
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Okay? But the people we’re talking about think Ukraine should be invaded by Russia.
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Take a trip to Lemmygrad, Hexbear, or Lemmy.ml sometime - or put a pro-Ukraine post somewhere in the Fediverse and let them come to you.
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I’m an unabashed leftist who has been active in leftist spaces online since “leftist spaces online” meant particular groups on usenet and I see Russia apologists masquerading as socialists almost every day
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https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1254216
This whole thread is basically just tankies frothing over military aid sent to Ukraine and me of course having the dumbest discussion of ny life. Just an example but they are simply insane or stupid, or just insanely stupid.
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Is lem.ee not federated with lemmygrad.ml? They’re right here my guy you don’t have to search hard.
It’s rampant in certain ML communities. A lot of people are so caught up in their reasonable opposition to the US, it’s foreign policy and the military industrial complex that they start to see any US enemy in a positive light, despite many of those enemies being significantly worse.
Which communities. Someone else pointed to that same community - and I looked at a post and saw nothing but support for Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-invasion-biden-congress-funding-d392f9b1adbb9c44249dce1cccdc2d1e?taid=64d50aa9364c310001c6d04e.
Have a look through here
What do you want me to see here?
I think you meant to link a Lemmy post - but accidentally posted the article from the Lemmy post instead of the comments themselves.
You are right, I’m sorry. Here’s what I meant to share: https://lemm.ee/post/3842553
What specifically in that thread are you talking about?
Well American conservatives also defend Russia, that doesn’t mean they’re communists
So stop associating things
I think you’re a little confused. I never claimed all Russian supporters were communists, or vice-versa for that matter.
At least soviet gulags were just concentration camps, not extermination camps.
The left spectrum is the best one :P
I mean, I don’t disagree. I consider myself left-of-centre and the Soviets a lesser evil compared to the Nazis, or even the Tsars they replaced.
Go back up to the image and see the one labeled “Hard Right.” You’re welcome.
Judging by the number of Lemmygrad users spewing their regurgitated kremlin propaganda all over the place i’d say you should reconsider your position
Has your instance defederated from lemmygrad? Otherwise you wouldn’t make such claims.
Only fascists with a red aesthetic - Tankies, if you will.
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That’s tankies. Not all communists are tankies. Tankies are just incredibly loud. And love to brigade.
I think the problem is that the meme chooses to use the term “communist” rather than “tankie.” No principled communist would defend a plutocratic petrol state like current day Russia, unless they simply opposed the west more than they supported Marxism. It seems like this meme is targeted at centrist Americans and right wing liberals who think poorly of communism because they were alive during the Cold War, and think antifa hurts their cause more than they help. The peacenik one is pretty spot on, but the first two kind of suck.
No arguments there, the first two def could’ve done with better labels. I’m just shitposting from my ‘best of’ folders while the Fediverse finds its feet, not a content creator, so I do apologize for the problems caused by the share.
I’m a communist and I don’t, so there’s one.