• Programmer Belch
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    861 year ago

    I don’t know how the government will be able to effectively ban E2EE and honestly I want to see them try

    • Neato
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      591 year ago

      100%? Impossible. But they can effectively ban it.

      Pass a law that makes any US company, or company doing business in the US, not allowed to host E2EE-enabled apps. This now bans them from the App Store and Play Store. 99% of users won’t find or choose to side-load for android users. Then they can make E2EE actually illegal to distribute in the US. They’ll almost never bother going after individuals, but this effectively makes hosting a US-based website unable to distribute E2EE programs. So people will need to use foreign sites. Which the US can force ISPs to block via a whack-a-mole on individual sites.

      This isn’t very likely, but hell Congress was decently close to banning TikTok for no real reason so who knows?

      • Programmer Belch
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        191 year ago

        It seems like the great firewall in china, really scary times for the freedom of the web

      • @FrankTheHealer
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        61 year ago

        I’m confused though. Don’t banking/ finance apps require E2EE ?

        Also Password Managers, VPNs? Do these apps not need E2EE by default?

        • Neato
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          31 year ago

          Oh yeah. There’d either be carve-outs or congress would just knee-jerk against encryption (like they’ve nearly done before) and deal with the consequences later.

          • @Cabrio
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            1 year ago

            Why do Americans say carve-out, is it because illiterate TV media personalities couldn’t pronounce caveat?

              • @Cabrio
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                11 year ago

                Care to explain the difference? Google is struggling to bring up adequate definitions for carve-out, or why it’s different to caveat, and I see multiple sources using both, sometimes interchangeably.

                • Roboticide
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                  11 year ago

                  I mean, you’re the one claiming dumb Americans can’t pronounce English.

                  Caveat is a noun. It’s a really old word, literally from ancient Latin meaning “let him beware.” Basically a warning, often noting that while something may seem great, there is often a notable problem.

                  A carve out is a simple compound, and typically a verb, but can be used as a noun as seen above. It notes an exception (typically to a policy, practice, or law), often one specifically framed to benefit a specific group, at the expense of others.

                  For example: “Congress’ new law creates strong regulations for CO2 emissions, but before you get excited, there’s one caveat: there are carve outs for automotive manufacturers, who won’t have to abide by those regulations until 2030.”

                  • @Cabrio
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                    A carve out is a simple compound, and typically a verb, but can be used as a noun as seen above. It notes an exception (typically to a policy, practice, or law)

                    caveat /ˈkavɪat/ noun

                    a warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations. ‘there are a number of caveats which concern the validity of the assessment results’

                    Emphasis mine.

                    I understand now the purpose of it. Normally in non-americanised English, using your example, caveat is used as follows:

                    “The deal has a caveat that x gets y” where caveat covers both meanings.

                    But that’s been Americanised because you’re separating those meanings effectively saying “There’s a caveat, the caveat is x gets y” as, “There’s a caveat, the carve out is x gets y”.

                    So, it isn’t that your TV personalities couldn’t speak, it’s because your contract writers were semi-literate.

                    What were you saying about my English competency?

        • @MasterBlaster
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          21 year ago

          All the government needs is copies of the keys. Encryption remains in place for everybody else, so it is … Plausible.

          All these encryption bans are specifically encryptions thee governments cannot decrypt.

    • @Dasnap
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      241 year ago

      Tories are just trying to kick up as much shit as possible before they’re kicked out so they can blame the next party for the fallout.

      • Programmer Belch
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        111 year ago

        Seems like something politicians who have not touched a computer would try to pass

      • @Thisisforfun
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        -41 year ago

        You really think things will be different if you’re under a different colored heel? 🤣