Recently, I was telling some older people about what a Rickroll was, and I mentioned why I thought Never Gonna Give You Up worked so well. Some of the reasons were that it was instantly recognizable in the first second of the song, that Rick Astley doesn’t look like you’d expect if you’d only heard the song, that he dances the whitest white guy dance ever, and that the song itself is actually a pretty good song.
My brother heard that and immediately strongly disagreed with me, saying that Never Gonna Give You Up is an objectively bad song, that everybody agrees, and that’s why they hate being Rickrolled.
It topped the charts in 25 countries when it first came out, but it’s a bad song? I guess that can happen, but I don’t think so in this case. What I think happened is that the song has been associated with a negative meme so prominently that some people judge it by that rather than on its own merits.
Anyways, my point is that I suspect that the Rickroll meme has influenced my brother so that he cannot enjoy a song that he’d otherwise like. I think there are parallels to the well-done steak thing. Sometimes, memes can ruin otherwise enjoyable experiences, even if they’re just jokes.
Is it similar to the whole “Nickelback bad” thing? They’re generic commercial rock, bland and easy to listen to, but they’re not really bad. Their sings got played, placed in the charts and all. For many people “safe” and “easy to listen to” are desirable traits in music, and Nickelback caters to that market quite well.
But then some cunt started making jokes about how much he hated them (“they say rock music doesn’t make people violent, but listening to Nickelback makes me want to kill Nickelback”) and the jokes somehow took off and I eventually found myself hating a band I’d never actually listened to.
(I mean, the joke is funny. Tasteless, uncalled for but definitely funny.)
Man I’ve had some disappointing steak. I’ve finished some crimes to steak and lied through my sore jaw about how good it was. I’ve had steak served so rare it was still cold in the middle. As if it had been cooked until barely warm on the outside, from frozen. Despite that establishment swearing it only ever serves fresh, never frozen anything.
I’ve never once had a steak so bad it made me not ever want steak again.
And on the other hand, I’ve had some very good steak, regardless of its doneness. I’ve had surprisingly good well-done steak, even though I generally order it medium. I’ve enjoyed quite rare steak, as well as raw beef (but not a steak). Each piece of meat, if prepared well according to the standards of that dish, was wonderful.
When people complain about other people’s preferences… Well, my experiences have simply not led me to a point where I think I’d want to do that.
I think I broadly agree, that while the joke in isolation is inoffensive it’s been the frequency with which that joke is used in a context where it literally “yucks someone’s yum” that has characterized it so negatively for me. That’s a very interesting perspective, thank you!
The degree to which someone enjoys their steak cooked is a choice that effects nobody but themselves - mocking someone for it is a choice that affects someone else negatively. Which I assume you know, and your reaction is just down to not enjoying having your poor behavior called out?
My reaction is due to being baffled why someone would respond this way to a post about a species that famously likes much of their food raw, or even still living.
You are a douche. People who like their steak medium-well do not need your douche ass riding to their rescue. If they can chew that leather they’re tough enough to handle themselves.
(She) Um. No, I’m actually being polite because I’m a polite person. It’s not a conspiracy, and it is again genuinely worrying that you can’t accept someone politely disagreeing with you, instead assuming that they have to be doing it manipulatively.
“Maybe you’re not a big Star Trek fan? In the future if you’re in a niche community and you run across a joke you don’t get, maybe just move on instead of twisting it into something you can get your daily offence boner from.”
holy shit. i was correct. you are a complete and total douche. talk about a nerd ego.
Gagh, likely the most famous klingon dish and which is famous for being eaten alive, is also canonically served as a stew. Lots of other klingon dishes we know about are also fully cooked - boiled K’rada, stewed Racht, blood pie, etc. Your characterization of klingons also arguably differs from the canon - it’s presented as an act of extreme disrespect for another klingon to alter the food Alexander is eating. It follows that, much as humans do, Klingons have personal culinary preferences - and that it’s considered rude to mock someone for them.
You’re trying to make this into some grand slight against you, when again the worst slight towards your character has been to call your behavior “lame” and your direct personal attacks “extreme”. I understand you don’t like being called out, sure, but you might want to step back and reflect on your behavior a little.
I know it’s a common joke, but man steak elitism is so lame. So long as they eat & enjoy the steak, why do you care how it was cooked?
Recently, I was telling some older people about what a Rickroll was, and I mentioned why I thought Never Gonna Give You Up worked so well. Some of the reasons were that it was instantly recognizable in the first second of the song, that Rick Astley doesn’t look like you’d expect if you’d only heard the song, that he dances the whitest white guy dance ever, and that the song itself is actually a pretty good song.
My brother heard that and immediately strongly disagreed with me, saying that Never Gonna Give You Up is an objectively bad song, that everybody agrees, and that’s why they hate being Rickrolled.
It topped the charts in 25 countries when it first came out, but it’s a bad song? I guess that can happen, but I don’t think so in this case. What I think happened is that the song has been associated with a negative meme so prominently that some people judge it by that rather than on its own merits.
Anyways, my point is that I suspect that the Rickroll meme has influenced my brother so that he cannot enjoy a song that he’d otherwise like. I think there are parallels to the well-done steak thing. Sometimes, memes can ruin otherwise enjoyable experiences, even if they’re just jokes.
Is it similar to the whole “Nickelback bad” thing? They’re generic commercial rock, bland and easy to listen to, but they’re not really bad. Their sings got played, placed in the charts and all. For many people “safe” and “easy to listen to” are desirable traits in music, and Nickelback caters to that market quite well.
But then some cunt started making jokes about how much he hated them (“they say rock music doesn’t make people violent, but listening to Nickelback makes me want to kill Nickelback”) and the jokes somehow took off and I eventually found myself hating a band I’d never actually listened to.
(I mean, the joke is funny. Tasteless, uncalled for but definitely funny.)
Man I’ve had some disappointing steak. I’ve finished some crimes to steak and lied through my sore jaw about how good it was. I’ve had steak served so rare it was still cold in the middle. As if it had been cooked until barely warm on the outside, from frozen. Despite that establishment swearing it only ever serves fresh, never frozen anything.
I’ve never once had a steak so bad it made me not ever want steak again.
And on the other hand, I’ve had some very good steak, regardless of its doneness. I’ve had surprisingly good well-done steak, even though I generally order it medium. I’ve enjoyed quite rare steak, as well as raw beef (but not a steak). Each piece of meat, if prepared well according to the standards of that dish, was wonderful.
When people complain about other people’s preferences… Well, my experiences have simply not led me to a point where I think I’d want to do that.
I think I broadly agree, that while the joke in isolation is inoffensive it’s been the frequency with which that joke is used in a context where it literally “yucks someone’s yum” that has characterized it so negatively for me. That’s a very interesting perspective, thank you!
You’re right of course, but the difference is that done Steak is simply not a pleasurable experience as opposed to Never Gonna Give You Up
So you knew it was a joke, in response to a joke post, and you still felt the need to respond that way?
A joke that is lame despite being common, yes. You can still be toxic, even if you’re acting that way ironically.
I know it’s a common complaint, but man joke elitism is so lame. So long as they chuckle & enjoy the joke, why do you care that they made it?
Get over yourself, dweeb. And stop diluting the meaning of things like “toxic” with overuse.
The degree to which someone enjoys their steak cooked is a choice that effects nobody but themselves - mocking someone for it is a choice that affects someone else negatively. Which I assume you know, and your reaction is just down to not enjoying having your poor behavior called out?
My reaction is due to being baffled why someone would respond this way to a post about a species that famously likes much of their food raw, or even still living.
You are a douche. People who like their steak medium-well do not need your douche ass riding to their rescue. If they can chew that leather they’re tough enough to handle themselves.
i gotta be honest here. she sounds respectful. you appear to be the douche.
In my opinion, he only seems to be respectful. It’s not sealioning, but it’s something akin to that. Maybe there’s a term for it, I don’t know.
(She) Um. No, I’m actually being polite because I’m a polite person. It’s not a conspiracy, and it is again genuinely worrying that you can’t accept someone politely disagreeing with you, instead assuming that they have to be doing it manipulatively.
… Dude this a conversation about how steak is cooked.
I called one very minor thing you did “lame”. It seems genuinely concerning that your reaction is this extreme over such a very mild callout.
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holy shit. i was correct. you are a complete and total douche. talk about a nerd ego.
Ooo, throwing the nerd gauntlet?
Gagh, likely the most famous klingon dish and which is famous for being eaten alive, is also canonically served as a stew. Lots of other klingon dishes we know about are also fully cooked - boiled K’rada, stewed Racht, blood pie, etc. Your characterization of klingons also arguably differs from the canon - it’s presented as an act of extreme disrespect for another klingon to alter the food Alexander is eating. It follows that, much as humans do, Klingons have personal culinary preferences - and that it’s considered rude to mock someone for them.
You’re trying to make this into some grand slight against you, when again the worst slight towards your character has been to call your behavior “lame” and your direct personal attacks “extreme”. I understand you don’t like being called out, sure, but you might want to step back and reflect on your behavior a little.