Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib refused to apologize Wednesday for saying on Tuesday that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, an accusation that sparked political backlash against her from Republicans as Israel denies fault.

Tlaib joined thousands of protesters calling for a ceasefire in Gaza during a solidarity rally hosted by the left-leaning group Jewish Voice for Peace at the National Mall. She was visibly emotional, at times pausing her speech to openly weep and criticizing lawmakers who have not backed a ceasefire resolution.

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      Defense does not necessitate apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

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          I never implied it did.

          You did, because you stated that:

          If Israel stopped fighting tomorrow, what do you think would happen?

          Implying that the only thing Israel is doing is fighting. It’s not, it’s doing a hell of a lot more than that. It’s doing apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

          If you’re saying that Israel should stop doing those things and instead only focus on defense then I agree with you. But you’re acting like Isreal is completely innocent.

          That’s not called “apartheid” anywhere else in the world, only when people are looking for a word to demonize Jews with.

          Yeah, that’s not true.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_apartheid

          The term was started in South Africa, being critical of the white people in charge.

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                  Have you heard of a country that didn’t have military court or military tribunals? Can you name such a country? Is the country in the room with us now?

                  Whataboutism, but I’ll bite. No, I haven’t heard of a country that colonized inhabited land and unequally punished the people they oppressed and then didn’t need to concede that what they were doing was wrong. Weird how that epiphany always comes after the colonists get what they want tho. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

                  Military courts are supposed to govern your armed forces, not any rando you don’t like.

                  but of course Israel doesn’t use its intranational civilian courts to try Palestinians in Palestine, that wouldn’t make any sense.

                  A Palestine state does not exist unless you equate Palestine to the Gaza prison camp guarded by Israel and maybe parts of the West Bank that Israel occupies against international law since I-don’t-even-know-how-long. A convenient excuse for their racist system.

                  What it boils down to is that in a Zionist state, like the Likud strives for Israel to be, Jewish law only applies to Jews and not to the “gentile”.

              • @SoleInvictus
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                I always laugh when people fall over themselves trying to claim Israel isn’t an apartheid state. It’s basically matches the textbook definition of an apartheid state at this point. Even the many Israelis with a conscience call it out as an apartheid state. There’s no legitimate uncertainty there, only propaganda, lies, and ignorance.

                  • @SoleInvictus
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                    Oh yeah, I love whataboutisms! They’re absolutely a valid way to… deflect from the topic actually being discussed.

            • @kaonashi
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              What are Israel’s borders? It seems like it conveniently places its borders in one place when it wants to selectively disenfranchise 5 of the 7 millions Arabs, and another when it wants to place settlements.

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        Defense does not necessitate apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

        Where exactly has Israel done this recently? Attacking someone across your border because they’re killing people near yours is war.

        See, Ukraine attacking places inside Russia lol. Justifiably so.

        • @PizzaMan
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          Where exactly has Israel done this recently?

          They’ve been doing it for decades.

          https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

          As for the more recent:

          https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/13/civilians-trapped-in-gaza-cant-escape-israels-siege.html

          Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[3][4][5] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under the Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

          Attacking someone across your border because they’re killing people near yours is war.

          Civilians are getting killed and forced out of their homes, all based on race. It’s an apartheid, and an ethnic cleansing.

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            The apartheid accusation is solid, nothing to say here.

            But ethnic cleansing?

            There are 2 million arab israeli citizens… not very homogenous. That’s almost 1 in 5 citizens.

            • @PizzaMan
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              The degree to which a nation is homogeneous is not the qualifying factor for whether an action is considered ethnic cleansing. It is instead the effect, and the effect of forcing Palestinians out of their homes, out of Gaza, counts as ethnic cleansing.

              It’s also not just based on race, it’s also got to do with religion.

                • @PizzaMan
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                  Actually, the only thing you can really call “apartheid” in Israel…

                  That’s not true.

                  https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

                  You might complain about the property decisions from decades before that

                  Yeah. Those decisions are exactly what people are talking about when people call it apartheid. And those decisions have never stopped, it’s been happening ever since the Israeli-Palistinian conflict started.

                  When somebody comes in, says they own your home, and then try to kick you out because of your race/religion, that is apartheid.

                  but the tenants agreed to the rent terms in the early 90s,

                  “Agreed” is a strong word to use when the alternative is homelessness.

                  so framing this as “ethnic cleansing” is pretty nuts.

                  It is the intentional homogenization of a region, dispelling people from their homes that they’ve lived in since their birth. That is by definition ethnic cleansing.

        • @kaffiene
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          Gaza is basically an open air prison. Do they control their own borders?

    • @kaffiene
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      If Hamas stops fighting, does Palestine get freedom and self determination?

      • @ezmac
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        Actually, if the extremists don’t gain control- yes. There have been several instances when they have been close to peace and even a two state solution… But then the terrorism starts.

        • @kaffiene
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          If both sides stop fighting and start working toward peace, sure. I’d note that those prior peace deals have usually been completely shit for Palestinians

        • @kaffiene
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          I don’t think I fundamentally disagree with you. Hamas aren’t helping Palestinians and I don’t think Likud are helping Israelis.