Just so you know, you don’t need the m if you’re talking about grams. The abbreviation is g, so 100g would be 100 grams. The metric prefixes can be used to scale your number, so 100g = 0.1kg = 100,000 mg.
I’m 206 pounds. Realistically I should be closer to 190. So for soybean to provide 380g of protein I’d need to eat a little more than a 1.05 kilos, 2.3 pounds of soybeans per day. That’s an unrealistic number, especially after figuring in its endocrine disrupter issues and that the vast majority of soybeans on the market are grown with unsustainable herbicide practices. Plus eating the same thing every day is the fast track to being extremely unhealthy.
I’m not trying to argue one needs to eat meat but I am strongly suggesting that before you ever make a similar comment in the future you include way more than soybeans as an alternative. Lentils, peas, different types of beans, anything more than one. I’d probably not look at true nuts because those have their own issues with water usage. Peanuts are not true nuts. They offer 25.8g of protein per 100g. Comparable with beef but a 10th the water needed of almonds.
I avoid soy whenever I can because of the environmental and endocrine disrupter issues.
My comment was long enough so decided not to argue their premise on how much one needs, but just focus on the problems of eating as much soy as they said it would take using their numbers.
Irrelevant. Because I specifically said I’m not recommending meat but advised they include some alternatives other than soy. Reread what I wrote. I wasn’t saying meat is the way. I was saying that soy by itself is not the way. Other vegan options exist.
Protein isn’t one thing. If you just look at the amount of total protein your body will fall apart. There are 21 amino acids that get counted in the total amount of protein you see on nutritional labels. Consume all the protein you want and it won’t matter if those 21 amino acids aren’t accounted for. Now the body can make more than half of them but there are 9 it can’t and you must eat.
Lentils are the one of the few vegan source of all 21 amino acids. A variety of beans and rice also offer a complete protein profile. Peas are decently high in protein but you will end up deficient in methionine and cysteine if you used it as your main protein source. That can be made up with quinoa and sunflower seeds. Which might sound odd but a cold quinoa, pea salad with sunflower seeds and a vinaigrette is very tasty. Quinoa is also a complete protein but trying to live off it is a thing for the wealthy. The trick is verity. I’ve met too many vegans living off French fries, meets the minimum for everything but leucine, and end up very unhealthy. Don’t look for one or even a couple of super protein sources. Eat a variety. It’s healthier and less likely to result in burnout.
@Dkarma@BonesOfTheMoon You don’t need 2gm/lb of bw, though. First, it would be per lb of *lean* bw. Second, it’s actually more like *1* g/lb of lean bw, or 2.2 g/kg of lean bw **as an upper max**, like if you’re a super body builder. For *regular* people, something much more like 1.5 g/kg of lean bw is totally sufficient.
Oh, and I eat a ton of legumes, so I can (and *do*) easily exceed that 2.2 g/kg threshold on my workout days.
Two grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is way overkill and there is zero evidence it helps anything. Even for people doing rigorous strength training, muscle gains cap out at 0.8-1g. If you’re not in the gym lifting heavy six days a week you don’t need more than 0.4.
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Don’t forget to eat your beans with that meat.
Just so you know, you don’t need the m if you’re talking about grams. The abbreviation is g, so 100g would be 100 grams. The metric prefixes can be used to scale your number, so 100g = 0.1kg = 100,000 mg.
I know, was just humoring OP.
I’m 206 pounds. Realistically I should be closer to 190. So for soybean to provide 380g of protein I’d need to eat a little more than a 1.05 kilos, 2.3 pounds of soybeans per day. That’s an unrealistic number, especially after figuring in its endocrine disrupter issues and that the vast majority of soybeans on the market are grown with unsustainable herbicide practices. Plus eating the same thing every day is the fast track to being extremely unhealthy.
I’m not trying to argue one needs to eat meat but I am strongly suggesting that before you ever make a similar comment in the future you include way more than soybeans as an alternative. Lentils, peas, different types of beans, anything more than one. I’d probably not look at true nuts because those have their own issues with water usage. Peanuts are not true nuts. They offer 25.8g of protein per 100g. Comparable with beef but a 10th the water needed of almonds.
I avoid soy whenever I can because of the environmental and endocrine disrupter issues.
Avoids soy because of the environmental and endocrine issues, but eats beef which is worse for the environment and contains actual mammalian oestrogen
We got a dumbass carnist over here
Did you see the part where I said I’m not recommending meat?
@FauxPseudo @jarfil You don’t need 2g/lb of lean bw, though. The premise is *wildly* incorrect.
My comment was long enough so decided not to argue their premise on how much one needs, but just focus on the problems of eating as much soy as they said it would take using their numbers.
How much beef do you have to eat a day to hit the same goal?
Irrelevant. Because I specifically said I’m not recommending meat but advised they include some alternatives other than soy. Reread what I wrote. I wasn’t saying meat is the way. I was saying that soy by itself is not the way. Other vegan options exist.
Okay, so what do you think are the best foods to eat for a normal amount of protein?
Protein isn’t one thing. If you just look at the amount of total protein your body will fall apart. There are 21 amino acids that get counted in the total amount of protein you see on nutritional labels. Consume all the protein you want and it won’t matter if those 21 amino acids aren’t accounted for. Now the body can make more than half of them but there are 9 it can’t and you must eat.
Lentils are the one of the few vegan source of all 21 amino acids. A variety of beans and rice also offer a complete protein profile. Peas are decently high in protein but you will end up deficient in methionine and cysteine if you used it as your main protein source. That can be made up with quinoa and sunflower seeds. Which might sound odd but a cold quinoa, pea salad with sunflower seeds and a vinaigrette is very tasty. Quinoa is also a complete protein but trying to live off it is a thing for the wealthy. The trick is verity. I’ve met too many vegans living off French fries, meets the minimum for everything but leucine, and end up very unhealthy. Don’t look for one or even a couple of super protein sources. Eat a variety. It’s healthier and less likely to result in burnout.
Just eat easy vegan meat replacements and you’re fine. Especially eating soy is an easy way to get protein in. It’s not hard anymore.
@SkyeStarfall @Dkarma It never was, especially if you don’t swallow that 2g/lb bullshit.
@Dkarma @BonesOfTheMoon You don’t need 2gm/lb of bw, though. First, it would be per lb of *lean* bw. Second, it’s actually more like *1* g/lb of lean bw, or 2.2 g/kg of lean bw **as an upper max**, like if you’re a super body builder. For *regular* people, something much more like 1.5 g/kg of lean bw is totally sufficient.
Oh, and I eat a ton of legumes, so I can (and *do*) easily exceed that 2.2 g/kg threshold on my workout days.
Two grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is way overkill and there is zero evidence it helps anything. Even for people doing rigorous strength training, muscle gains cap out at 0.8-1g. If you’re not in the gym lifting heavy six days a week you don’t need more than 0.4.
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