I see how others make a point about other streaming services. But it is different with YouTube. Firstly the content is from peers not from production houses. Secondly it feels like an AH move to start out as a free service and then start charging after you know you have enough people hooked ( this is how drug dealers work too). It is not illegal but just feels immoral (not the drugs, just yt)
Starting with a business model that was unsustainable is not a reason not to transition to one that is. YouTube didn’t make enough money for it’s creators even with ads, so creators got themselves sponsorships and direct fan-support.
Now, I don’t think the platform deserves a big cut of that, but it does need to cover costs, at the very least. Yet the status quo, is to give YT literally nothing (block ads, don’t get premium).
I don’t understand - are you arguing that Youtube is having trouble covering costs? They seem pretty damn profitable in most of the recent year reports I can find.
And, they are only worth something to advertisers, if they work. Which in your case, they very likely wouldn’t.If the ads aren’t disruptive, they aren’t making money.
People get used to ads, and so they stop working, as they stop working, they have to get more aggressive, but then people just get used to them again… It’s an endless arms race that will never stop for as long as internet services revolve around ads.
That’s all good points. I guess banner ads are just where I draw the line. And since that’s not feasible for either side, all that’s left is adblocking
Which isn’t feasible for either side, either. If the payment for services rendered is ads, and you simply don’t, then you didn’t pay.
Stealing a single mars bar is a victimless crime, you may even have needed the calories to live, and the victim is a mega-corporation than can absorb the cost without ever noticing… But when you start approaching a point where every customer is doing it?
I think for many people at this point it’s just spite. I know it is to some extent with me. They removed so many things that I now have to use extensions to fix anyway (can’t set a predefined quality preference, can’t remove shorts, removed dislike) and you can’t even get that stuff when you do pay for it. At that point I may just run the 5th extension to remove ads as well and have a better experience than if I were simply a paying customer.
I think the higher Bitrate 1080p is the single biggest draw for me. But now I’m spiteful enough to avoid premium regardless. And don’t even get me started on the constant “TRY PREMIUM WE PROMISE IT’S GOOD” popups. It should speak for itself.
The problem with YouTube Premium vs other streaming services is that it feels like you are paying protection money vs paying for a service.
YouTube has gone out of their way to throw ad upon ad on even the shortest videos and even ads on videos are that essentially 30s ads. They tell you if you pay a monthly fee, these ads will stop harassing you. What other benefits do you get? Hmmm maybe they’ll let you continue a video with the screen turned off.
Oh you want the old dislike system, no fuck you. You still only get a button that does fuck all.
You don’t like YTshorts? Fuck you again, you have no choice but to have it in your face every time you open the app.
This is not a business to customer relationship. This is a protection racket to victim relationship.
I see how others make a point about other streaming services. But it is different with YouTube. Firstly the content is from peers not from production houses. Secondly it feels like an AH move to start out as a free service and then start charging after you know you have enough people hooked ( this is how drug dealers work too). It is not illegal but just feels immoral (not the drugs, just yt)
Starting with a business model that was unsustainable is not a reason not to transition to one that is. YouTube didn’t make enough money for it’s creators even with ads, so creators got themselves sponsorships and direct fan-support.
Now, I don’t think the platform deserves a big cut of that, but it does need to cover costs, at the very least. Yet the status quo, is to give YT literally nothing (block ads, don’t get premium).
I don’t understand - are you arguing that Youtube is having trouble covering costs? They seem pretty damn profitable in most of the recent year reports I can find.
I’d be down to opt into non-intrusive banner ads. Not loud unskippable bullshit that disrupts my experience.
Why? Why would you want to be marketed to?
And, they are only worth something to advertisers, if they work. Which in your case, they very likely wouldn’t. If the ads aren’t disruptive, they aren’t making money.
People get used to ads, and so they stop working, as they stop working, they have to get more aggressive, but then people just get used to them again… It’s an endless arms race that will never stop for as long as internet services revolve around ads.
That’s all good points. I guess banner ads are just where I draw the line. And since that’s not feasible for either side, all that’s left is adblocking
Which isn’t feasible for either side, either. If the payment for services rendered is ads, and you simply don’t, then you didn’t pay.
Stealing a single mars bar is a victimless crime, you may even have needed the calories to live, and the victim is a mega-corporation than can absorb the cost without ever noticing… But when you start approaching a point where every customer is doing it?
That can’t continue.
I think for many people at this point it’s just spite. I know it is to some extent with me. They removed so many things that I now have to use extensions to fix anyway (can’t set a predefined quality preference, can’t remove shorts, removed dislike) and you can’t even get that stuff when you do pay for it. At that point I may just run the 5th extension to remove ads as well and have a better experience than if I were simply a paying customer.
I think the higher Bitrate 1080p is the single biggest draw for me. But now I’m spiteful enough to avoid premium regardless. And don’t even get me started on the constant “TRY PREMIUM WE PROMISE IT’S GOOD” popups. It should speak for itself.
The problem with YouTube Premium vs other streaming services is that it feels like you are paying protection money vs paying for a service.
YouTube has gone out of their way to throw ad upon ad on even the shortest videos and even ads on videos are that essentially 30s ads. They tell you if you pay a monthly fee, these ads will stop harassing you. What other benefits do you get? Hmmm maybe they’ll let you continue a video with the screen turned off.
Oh you want the old dislike system, no fuck you. You still only get a button that does fuck all.
You don’t like YTshorts? Fuck you again, you have no choice but to have it in your face every time you open the app.
This is not a business to customer relationship. This is a protection racket to victim relationship.