Lol. Leftist is when no vote. Leftism is when political irrelevance. If you’re not engaging in the state’s political system and not preparing for violence, you’re mostly just larping.
A smart leftist would hedge their bets and use electoral politics to garner popularity, organize workers movements, and train in self defense, using all those avenues for power in whatever way works best given the context. The anti voting attitude hasn’t worked at growing leftism for decades, while Bernie Sanders and DSA sponsored candidates have boosted the left more anything.
Organizations aren’t enough. Fascists only speak violence, so leftists stand no chance against the state. Fascists don’t even stand a chance if they lose enough internal support. The state’s systems must be engaged with because it has a strong monopoly on violence. No amount of workers unions can oppose an army. Your own logic doesn’t even support your approach.
Growing power is necessary to change the world. Might does not make right, but might is necessary to succeed. Viewing liberal democracy as insufficient isn’t the same as it being inherently immoral to use. Your leftist credibility isn’t worth shit when you have no power to back it.
>The anti voting attitude hasn’t worked at growing leftism for decades, while Bernie Sanders and DSA sponsored candidates have boosted the left more anything.
what is the objective measure you can use to prove this? the amount of money sent to israel? the number of people in prison?
>A smart leftist would hedge their bets and use electoral politics to garner popularity, organize workers movements, and train in self defense, using all those avenues for power in whatever way works best given the context.
anyone who doesn’t follow your Plan ™ isn’t smart.
>so called leftists
anarchism opposes governance
communism is a stateless society
voting for a president at all indicates someone is not a leftist (Fabian socialists being an exception).
if I’m not going to vote for a genocidal tool of the police state, that only bolsters my leftist credibility.
Lol. Leftist is when no vote. Leftism is when political irrelevance. If you’re not engaging in the state’s political system and not preparing for violence, you’re mostly just larping.
A smart leftist would hedge their bets and use electoral politics to garner popularity, organize workers movements, and train in self defense, using all those avenues for power in whatever way works best given the context. The anti voting attitude hasn’t worked at growing leftism for decades, while Bernie Sanders and DSA sponsored candidates have boosted the left more anything.
Organizations aren’t enough. Fascists only speak violence, so leftists stand no chance against the state. Fascists don’t even stand a chance if they lose enough internal support. The state’s systems must be engaged with because it has a strong monopoly on violence. No amount of workers unions can oppose an army. Your own logic doesn’t even support your approach.
Growing power is necessary to change the world. Might does not make right, but might is necessary to succeed. Viewing liberal democracy as insufficient isn’t the same as it being inherently immoral to use. Your leftist credibility isn’t worth shit when you have no power to back it.
>Fascists don’t even stand a chance if they lose enough internal support.
i don’t know what the fuck this even means. can you cite it? is there some evidence for it?
>Lol. Leftist is when no vote. Leftism is when political irrelevance.
this is a strawman
>The anti voting attitude hasn’t worked at growing leftism for decades, while Bernie Sanders and DSA sponsored candidates have boosted the left more anything.
what is the objective measure you can use to prove this? the amount of money sent to israel? the number of people in prison?
>Growing power is necessary to change the world.
this does not entail voting for joe biden.
>The state’s systems must be engaged with because it has a strong monopoly on violence.
wrong
>Your leftist credibility isn’t worth shit when you have no power to back it.
you’re the one obsessed with leftist credibility. i just don’t want to vote for someone who is going to further fascism.
>Your own logic doesn’t even support your approach.
wrong.
>No amount of workers unions can oppose an army.
wrong
>A smart leftist would hedge their bets and use electoral politics to garner popularity, organize workers movements, and train in self defense, using all those avenues for power in whatever way works best given the context.
anyone who doesn’t follow your Plan ™ isn’t smart.
this is just ad hominem