So she’s basically the only woman in the show, and the only long term one. Despite basically everyone at the company being completely clueless about technology most of the jokes about it are played at her expense, particularly early on.
It’s very much playing into the “haha women be shopping and clueless” stuff, which is a misogynistic framing. Especially considering the actual history of computing.
It’s a show about a corporate IT department, and there are like 5 long term characters. Not unreasonable there is one woman. A lot of if not more of the jokes are with the CEO too. She gets a lot of jokes at her expense because she is a main character in a comedy show.
It doesn’t play into that at all, she is clueless because she lied to get the job, not because she is a woman, the other 2 are just as clueless about other stuff, and her interpersonal skills and cunning is what gets them through a lot of their challenges. The whole premise of the show is they’re clueless nerds and she is clueless at her job she lied to get. They cover each other’s weaknesses.
You need to ask yourself questions like “why is that character a woman?” “how does the show treat women generally?” etc
Like obviously they made choices, and those choices are because of and reenforcing misogynistic steriotypes.
misogyny isn’t characters screaming about hating women, it’s portraying women as bad at tech, sex objects, making a joke entirely about beating up a woman as the end of an episode, portraying women as liars etc.
it was a good how it played the idea of tech vs non tech but it did play a terrible stereotype about women vs men roles. Unfortunately at the time it was written, tech industry was at its prime of being the most difficult for women to break into it for one of the main reasons they were often excluded and even discouraged by a lot of gatekeeping men. (Example: James damore who wrote that misogynistic manifesto).
no doubt it was just writers writing what they know rather than writing from an idealistic approach which seems to be what current day sitcoms try to achieve.
Silicon Valley also suffered a bit of the same although it did try to introduce the occasional tech woman if even just a love interest now and again.
And then there was mythic quest that tried to almost even reverse the typical roles on gender in the tech industry…but then they still wrote women very terribly.
Si Valley does a lot better, while it’s still very male heavy in the casting etc the one woman that showed up early on was at least good at her job and somewhat independent.
except that one episode
also the misogynistic framing of Jen, although at times she is shown to save the day by being well adjusted
I wouldn’t say it was a misogynistic framing. Is that just because she was IT illiterate?
So she’s basically the only woman in the show, and the only long term one. Despite basically everyone at the company being completely clueless about technology most of the jokes about it are played at her expense, particularly early on.
It’s very much playing into the “haha women be shopping and clueless” stuff, which is a misogynistic framing. Especially considering the actual history of computing.
It’s a show about a corporate IT department, and there are like 5 long term characters. Not unreasonable there is one woman. A lot of if not more of the jokes are with the CEO too. She gets a lot of jokes at her expense because she is a main character in a comedy show.
It doesn’t play into that at all, she is clueless because she lied to get the job, not because she is a woman, the other 2 are just as clueless about other stuff, and her interpersonal skills and cunning is what gets them through a lot of their challenges. The whole premise of the show is they’re clueless nerds and she is clueless at her job she lied to get. They cover each other’s weaknesses.
You need to ask yourself questions like “why is that character a woman?” “how does the show treat women generally?” etc
Like obviously they made choices, and those choices are because of and reenforcing misogynistic steriotypes.
misogyny isn’t characters screaming about hating women, it’s portraying women as bad at tech, sex objects, making a joke entirely about beating up a woman as the end of an episode, portraying women as liars etc.
Portraying misogyny doesn’t make the show misogynist. They are all bad people, that’s the underlying comedic premise of the show.
it was a good how it played the idea of tech vs non tech but it did play a terrible stereotype about women vs men roles. Unfortunately at the time it was written, tech industry was at its prime of being the most difficult for women to break into it for one of the main reasons they were often excluded and even discouraged by a lot of gatekeeping men. (Example: James damore who wrote that misogynistic manifesto).
no doubt it was just writers writing what they know rather than writing from an idealistic approach which seems to be what current day sitcoms try to achieve.
Silicon Valley also suffered a bit of the same although it did try to introduce the occasional tech woman if even just a love interest now and again.
And then there was mythic quest that tried to almost even reverse the typical roles on gender in the tech industry…but then they still wrote women very terribly.
Si Valley does a lot better, while it’s still very male heavy in the casting etc the one woman that showed up early on was at least good at her job and somewhat independent.