I have the best Jewish friends. They’re not strict Jewish, they adapt a lot of the traditions to suit themselves. For example any of the food heavy holiday’s they invite their non-Jewish friends over but do most of the religious stuff before we show up. So for me, I get to visit with friends, eat pretty good food (I’ve learned what to avoid like the unleavened bread), and help them celebrate something that’s important to them. They make no expectation for us to actually participate, just respect that they are. It’s a good time.
I feel for their kids though, they have to do the 10 hour thing.
Yep. Half my family is Jewish, half is Catholic. My dad (Jewish atheist) made me sit through a really long seder once and afterward said he forgot how boring they are. And also didn’t warn me about the bitter herbs lol. Next time we went to a seder it was wayyy more streamlined.
You can use parsley as ‘bitter herbs,’ which is what we did. Not the most pleasant thing to eat, but not exactly unpalatable. I’ve heard of some people using celery. That feels like cheating.
I think that may be what the idea was, but they definitely meant just regular celery because the conversation, which had happened a couple of times with guests when I was a kid, was along the lines of “why are you using parsley? Celery is so much nicer!”
When they’re already encircling an entire region in wire to claim it’s a house, and also claiming some dude owns all the bread in a country, eating celery seems a bit of a step down in comparison
To be fair, you’re conflating Orthodox (or even Ultra-Orthodox) Jews and Reform Jews, which is kind of like conflating Mennonites (or Amish) to Methodists. Same religion, very different interpretations. The latter being much less medieval in their way of thinking.
“There are no Christian symbols on the walls,” Plaut said. “There’s no mixing of meat and dairy, and the pork that is evident is hidden. Hence the phrase ‘safe treyf.’ You can’t see it when you eat it so it’s ok.
People are weird. There was a break-off group from the temple in my town because they felt it was too progressive (not about social issues, about Reform Judaism) that my grandfather joined and then complain about them not having services on days when there was a ball game on. Like- “this temple is not religious enough, let’s form a more religious one… but only when baseball isn’t on.”
I dated a girl who is Jewish many years ago. Her parents would just throw dishes at each other while arguing in Hebrew. To hear you say that it can’t be entertaining slightly offends me.
Hebrew or Yiddish? If she wasn’t Israeli, it was probably Yiddish. Yiddish is also better for yelling people in. My grandmother was very good at it. It’s like if German had a bastard child with Polish.
Oh maybe that’s what it was. On a related note the girl I dated has a sister that was a substitute teacher at our high school at the time. She was 21 and would buy us booze and she also played strip poker with my friends and me. Took my buddy’s virginity. Fun times!
Not very much. There are very few Ladino speakers alive today. Like exponentially fewer than Yiddish, which already doesn’t have very many speakers left.
Ladino is very close to Medieval Spanish, but written using Hebrew letters.
I agree. Unfortunately, with Jewish holidays, you have to sit through what feels like about 10 hours of prayers in Hebrew before you get to the food.
Which especially sucks when you’re a hungry kid who doesn’t understand Hebrew.
I have the best Jewish friends. They’re not strict Jewish, they adapt a lot of the traditions to suit themselves. For example any of the food heavy holiday’s they invite their non-Jewish friends over but do most of the religious stuff before we show up. So for me, I get to visit with friends, eat pretty good food (I’ve learned what to avoid like the unleavened bread), and help them celebrate something that’s important to them. They make no expectation for us to actually participate, just respect that they are. It’s a good time.
I feel for their kids though, they have to do the 10 hour thing.
Damn, lucky you not having to sit through the boring shit. Because yeah, the food is great!
Yep. Half my family is Jewish, half is Catholic. My dad (Jewish atheist) made me sit through a really long seder once and afterward said he forgot how boring they are. And also didn’t warn me about the bitter herbs lol. Next time we went to a seder it was wayyy more streamlined.
You can use parsley as ‘bitter herbs,’ which is what we did. Not the most pleasant thing to eat, but not exactly unpalatable. I’ve heard of some people using celery. That feels like cheating.
If fish isn’t meat to the Catholics then why shouldn’t celery be a bitter herb
Beaver, armadillo, alligator and capybara are all also fish according to the Catholic church.
https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/local/2023/02/20/whats-seafood-for-lent-alligator-beaver-and-armadillo-make-the-cut/69922902007/
So yeah, Jews definitely don’t have the monopoly on this stuff.
Celery leaves specifically would probably be what they meant. You can actually use them as a substitute for parsley in cooking!
I think that may be what the idea was, but they definitely meant just regular celery because the conversation, which had happened a couple of times with guests when I was a kid, was along the lines of “why are you using parsley? Celery is so much nicer!”
Isn’t the point to remember bitter times and tears?
Seems to defeat the purpose.
I do like that one joke/parable about the 4 rabbis arguing and god chiming in though.
Cracks me up
Jewish religious workarounds in a nutshell. Here’s two videos from the same dude on the scale of these… shenannigans :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPYp3lOOOrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgM0CzgnZsM
When they’re already encircling an entire region in wire to claim it’s a house, and also claiming some dude owns all the bread in a country, eating celery seems a bit of a step down in comparison
To be fair, you’re conflating Orthodox (or even Ultra-Orthodox) Jews and Reform Jews, which is kind of like conflating Mennonites (or Amish) to Methodists. Same religion, very different interpretations. The latter being much less medieval in their way of thinking.
Still no bacon though for most of them.
https://stljewishlight.org/news/world-news/why-do-jews-eat-chinese-food-on-christmas/
People are weird. There was a break-off group from the temple in my town because they felt it was too progressive (not about social issues, about Reform Judaism) that my grandfather joined and then complain about them not having services on days when there was a ball game on. Like- “this temple is not religious enough, let’s form a more religious one… but only when baseball isn’t on.”
I dated a girl who is Jewish many years ago. Her parents would just throw dishes at each other while arguing in Hebrew. To hear you say that it can’t be entertaining slightly offends me.
Hebrew or Yiddish? If she wasn’t Israeli, it was probably Yiddish. Yiddish is also better for yelling people in. My grandmother was very good at it. It’s like if German had a bastard child with Polish.
Oh maybe that’s what it was. On a related note the girl I dated has a sister that was a substitute teacher at our high school at the time. She was 21 and would buy us booze and she also played strip poker with my friends and me. Took my buddy’s virginity. Fun times!
where does ladino fit into this?
Not very much. There are very few Ladino speakers alive today. Like exponentially fewer than Yiddish, which already doesn’t have very many speakers left.
Ladino is very close to Medieval Spanish, but written using Hebrew letters.