• Admiral Patrick
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    249 months ago

    At least in The Doctor’s case, she did grant him autonomy over his program, though Kes kind of had to talk her into it.

    • Flying SquidOPM
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      259 months ago

      If you want to be technical about it, she didn’t turn the nebula into coffee either.

      • gregorum
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        9 months ago

        She certainly did try, though, until the nebula fought back and nearly turned her into coffee. 

        Edit: bonus points, she had to apologize, too

        • Flying SquidOPM
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          149 months ago

          She tried to keep The Doctor running constantly all the time too. Basically Janeway constantly has to be convinced not to be an asshole. I love her, but it’s true.

          • gregorum
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            129 months ago

            she had her moments, though, like when she babysat him through his trolly problem crisis. although she had to be talked into that, too.

            • Flying SquidOPM
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              139 months ago

              Exactly. Like every other episode- “Captain, this huge crisis is happening?” “So?” “We have to do something.” “Why?” “Because the ship will blow up if we don’t.” “Anything else?”

              • @[email protected]
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                139 months ago

                Does anyone else think the entire crew of Voyager would have massive PTSD? Their entire world is turned upside-down. Janeway is honestly doing pretty well dealing with having doomed her whole crew to a slow death in the Delta Quadrant. Why do you think she’s fixated on coffee, something that brings her normalcy?

                And they could have easily destroyed the caretaker’s array after they used it to escape. The Kazon are not smart enough to dismantle whatever timebomb they set up. Just set up three bombs. They can’t get all of them! They’re not friggin Starfleet.

                • @grue
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                  9 months ago

                  Especially since, being a smaller ship on a more limited mission, they didn’t have a dedicated counselor like the Galaxy-class ships did.

                  …or at least that was what I was about to post, until I remembered Counselor Migleemo from Lower Decks. I guess Voyager’s counselor was one of the casualties in the first episode.

                  Edit: Checking Memory Alpha to compare the California-class to the Intrepid-class, it seems possible that Voyager might have been an even smaller ship than the Cerritos. Memory Alpha doesn’t have length, tonnage, or crew complement figures for the Cali-class, but it does have “at least 20” decks compared to Voyager’s 15. That might just be because Voyager doesn’t have a vertical neck between its saucer and engineering section, but then again, the Cerritos also has stuff like cetacean ops and a gift shop…

                  Edit 2: Thinking about this got me re-watching Voyager, and I just got to the scene in 1x05 “Phage” where The Doctor confirms that Voyager doesn’t have a ship’s counselor (i.e., it’s not just that we never saw one on-screen).

                  Edit 3: Janeway laments the lack of a counselor near the beginning of 1x06 “The Cloud,” too.

                • Flying SquidOPM
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                  39 months ago

                  Probably a lot of PTSD, yes. Also, there’s the fan theory that Janeway is bipolar.

                  • Flying SquidOPM
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                    49 months ago

                    I’ve always headcannoned that Neelix’s original submissive ‘need to be liked and feel useful’ attitude plus his possessiveness with Kes was from his own severe PTSD after what happened to his family and his people.

              • gregorum
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                69 months ago

                “yeah, your coffee maker is offline”

                “RED ALERT!”