The short answer is Biden is pretty average at best, meaning I think most average presidents in his position and circumstances would’ve done similar things. He’s stable in that regard.
A lot of stuff was rebound from Covid lows and undoing Trump fuckery. He’s continued on with a lot of Obama’s policies and expanded on some.
He campaigned on the status quo and that’s what he’s done, which is frankly not good because the status quo is exactly why the issues that existed in the first place exist.
Are you saying Democratic supporters rallied behind Biden during the election, then got more critical of him once in office?
Are you saying it was right or wrong to do so?
Personally I’ve always maintained that Biden is pretty average; but literally all I’m looking for during these days where rampant fascism and general bigotry is on the rise — and when our literal Democracy is on the line and trying to be actively thwarted by forces foreign and domestic — is stability. Average, stable sounds great relative to the guaranteed alternative. Such is the dichotomy we live with every election cycle.
Yes, post-election when fascism may be averted, pressure rises from both sides: (1) From the left to try to compel Biden to greater action, and (2) Pure mudslinging from the right-wing propaganda machine. That’s par for the course and would be no different if Bernie himself was put in office.
I want Trump to lose, I don’t care who or how that happens.
Im saying many leftists went on about how good he would be etc, so as to not lose momentum snd afterwards they went right back to being more honest about how shit he is.
All i want is the return to that truth, because then we can start pushing for the radical changes needed. Biden and lib dems cannot be “compelled”, they dont listen to the concerns of the people over corporate interests. The only solution is to get back to agitating for overthrowing the state and working on that goal.
It’s not long now until this election diversion is over and we can focus on more pressing issues, so I’m excited.
I have shit on Biden and Dems whenever I feel like it, I’m just not a useful idiot / paid propagandist trying to pretend Biden is a worse choice than Donald, so it’s pretty well received. Maybe try that.
I couldn’t say for you, but the person above you is ignoring Ukrainians while being hopping mad about Palestinians, as if Repubs would be ending that conflict? Oh, but, mind you, ending the conflict without doing anything remotely close to escalation towards WWIII, which he is also enraged about and claiming is beginning.
Elsewhere in here he is sobbing on behalf of Flint, Michigan. Donald was present for four of those years he is crying about? Did he do any infrastructure bills or anything to assist? No, it was trillions in handouts to billionaires and dismantling the EPA.
His thesis here is “both sides equally bad” and “Biden has become worse than Trump.” Demonstratively untrue. So I can say there’s a decent chance that person is a Repub cosplaying or some sort of paid propagandist.
IDGAF if you like or hate Biden. I don’t think you should side with or defend that person. They are dishonest, possibly deliberately so.
You think a bit of Twitter sass comes even close to Donald Trump? With the sexual assaults, blatant nepotism, attacks (quite literally) on free speech, sedition, fraud, fearmongering politicisation of an epidemic leading to the deaths of millions, I could go on but frankly I’d hit the character limit?
No, I think an actually perpetrated genocide push does. I think an actual union squash does. I think reckless global military aggression does. I think Biden is currently as culpable or more culpable than Bush Jr, and it chaps my ass to bone that Bush Jr is still out there doing watercolors in his cozy safe compound.
Trump posted a lot of tweets but didn’t do anything beyond J6.
Biden has enabled a genocide and done many other things that we cant simply come back from.
Again. Both need to be locked up. Banished. Tortured. Dragged to Hades by imps with burning cold talons intentionally plunged into the most sensitive tissue on their decaying meat sacks. Chenney and Bush should take the car before Biden and Trump.
But yes. Biden continually insists that he is as bad or worse than Trump, and both spell major war.
So this is why I say the 2 party system must be rejected and we must keep both Trump and Biden out of office in 2025.
No, I think an actually perpetrated genocide push does.
And what genocide would that be? The one being committed by the Israelis? What makes you think Trump wouldn’t do exactly the same? Or did you forget that Trump’s history with dealing with issues in the middle east? Or human lives in general?
I think an actual union squash does.
Because trump is soooo pro-worker. He’d never do the same or worse /s
I think reckless global military aggression does.
You mean like Trump actually did? Directly? As in he ordered shit to go down, as opposed to blaming Biden for Netanyahu’s actions? You do remember Trump directly nearly pulled us into a war with Iran right?
I think Biden is currently as culpable or more culpable than Bush Jr, and it chaps my ass to bone that Bush Jr is still out there doing watercolors in his cozy safe compound.
Why is Biden on equal levels to GWB here? Biden sold weapons to Israel, sure. GWB literally started two fucking wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for made up reasons.
Trump posted a lot of tweets but didn’t do anything beyond J6.
You’re kinda glossing over the part where Donald Trump tried to literally end American democracy.
Biden has enabled a genocide and done many other things that we simply cant come back from.
Oh fucking spare me. Donald Trump never gave two shits about the lives involved in the issues he was involved in. If he were in office today he’d be calling it an excellent business deal.
Donald Trump is the kind of man that would kill millions of his own voters so he could politicise a deadly event. We know this because he literally did. Do you really think he’d give two fucks about selling weapons to Israel?
The only thing that would make him have sleepless nights over it is the thought that he didn’t profit enough from it
Its very funny how the russian shills do such a good job of ignoring that the Gazan genocide is an orchestrated distraction. Oh yeah, lets totes vote against status quo joe bc (checks notes) genocide, so we can get the unequivocal slaughter of Ukrainians and, at that point, other Eastern Europeans. Great, great logic emanating from the propaganda campaign of our international enemy who stands to lose a great deal should their candidate in our election lose.
Thanks for pushing back. Doing the lords work here.
And what genocide would that be? The one being committed by the Israelis?
The one he was documented as instructing his Secretary of State to evade congressional oversight to deliver US explosives.
Trump probably would. In his first term he was too incompetent to figure out how to.
Because trump is soooo pro-worker. He’d never do the same or worse /s
Remove “he is better than Trump” from your… extremely damaging contributions. I disavow both.
Why is Biden on equal levels to GWB here?
Because contrary to popular belief, GWB wasnt some complete unknowing doof. He was a co-author of the Plan for the New America Century. Which was some dystopian shit that basically, before the event, described what would happen after 9/11. And then he got the presidency and surprise surprise… 9/11 happened immediately after he got in office.
Kind of like how Biden has a long track record of laying down policy in regards to Israel, and he becomes President, and Israel is genociding and he has ALL of the funding lines and back-room loopholes to really just let them Palestinians have it.
You’re kinda glossing over the part where Donald Trump tried to literally end American democracy
Yes, Trump has usurped the RNC primary process this season. And Biden killed the DNC primary process this season.
Again, I hate and reject both.
Oh fucking spare me.
Youve made it clear. Your brain is incapable of understanding an order of operation beyond 1/0.
Shut the fuck up and develop some critical thinking skills.
This is low key a very important election. The DNC has signed in triplicate for WWIII and Dark Brandon just gave us a Homelander meme to let us know that is exactly what is going on.
Trump on the other hand really missing his Diet Coke button and wants to give more money to Texas and Florida.
Trump must be stopped. Biden must be stopped. RNC must be stopped. DNC must be stopped.
Stop shitting your pants over Biden like he MUST WIN.
You do realise there is such a thing as different levels of bad right?
Kinda like how video game piracy isn’t on the same level of murder?
See I never called Biden good. But ethically his record is a metric fuck ton cleaner than DJT or GWB.
Biden has done some bad things and I don’t agree with him on everything. But it’s some fucking hyperbole to put him up next to a warmonger and a seditious traitor and put them all as equals.
You did a great job undermining their rhetoric. To add, it’s important to dismantle their non-sequitur / logical-leap that is the oft-touted “Biden is responsible for Genocide in Gaza.” by wedge-drivers or people who drank the kool-aid.
Many of us are cognizant of humanitarian crisis there, and genocide does appear to be happening (I say that as no international body to my knowledge as formally concluded such). But to place that all on Biden doesn’t make sense, considering:
Regardless, October 7th, too was a massacre in which Israel had some right to respond. Not saying they responded correctly, but:
It only took 3 months for the most staunchest ally and greatest foreign aid supplier to go from lockstep support to saying Israel is “Indiscriminately bombing” the people of Gaza as facts on the ground became established.
There are massive ramifications to pushing back on the Zionist state that has a routine habit of having campaigns of public shaming and misconstruing actions critical of their far-right nationalist government as being anti-Semitic. If one thinks the Russian IRA troll farm is bad, just wait. Especially when Republicans are ready to happily amplify that rhetoric.
It was not Joe who ordered the bombs to be dropped, knowing the collateral damage that awaited. That rests squarely on Bibi’s shoulders.
You said the most important thing, which is that Trump would be an order-of-magnitude worse under these circumstances for the civilians of Gaza, and that should be more than enough for anyone logically thinking this through. Now Is it fair to put pressure on Biden to change course in supplying and supporting Israel? Sure, there’s a time and place insofar as that doesn’t enable Trump to win.
That’s an excellent breakdown on the ‘Biden is responsible for Israel’ fallacy. Israel is a separate nation with its own governance.
As you said, October 7th was a massacre. And while I agree that Israel had the right of response, I don’t think anybody could have reasonably predicted what that response would look like. It makes GWB’s response to 9/11 look measured and controlled by comparison; over 50,000 dead civilians in 5 months. That’s almost the same amount of civilian deaths in the Iraq war (according to Wikileaks) in it’s entirety, and that went on for 8 years.
What I do blame Biden for is the lack of political response up to this point. They obviously can’t do shit about weapons they already sent, but they could have easily done something about what they continue to send.
Realistically speaking I don’t think we could have gotten a Ukraine-esque response, but next to nothing, after it has become undoubtedly clear what’s happening over there is genocide?
You and what army? Since you’ll need a population larger than the army to make any difference here. The 2 parties have a lot of power, you see. You can opt out of the whole thing but that doesn’t really do anything unless you have a large enough group of people voting for the same exact third party voter.
No one here likes the 2 party system, but most of us realize that until we have a real uprising or groundswell support for someone who can win >50% of the vote, opting out of voting means throwing your right to actually making change in this country away - embracing slactivism.
Did you think the DNC newsletter was hood enough to report the many different military strikes that America has perpetrated in the middle east in the past month?
Sweet “innocent” summer child.
Biden’s pentagon just drone exploded EVERYONE in the middle east.
Great look Geoncidal Joe.
Sleep for 3 years. Substantiate a genocide. Kick off WWIII. Snuff out primary challengers. Post a Homelander meme.
How does this dipshit somehow make himself more egregious than Trump in the Nth hour?
Let’s hope 2028 rakes in all the super pac donos for fed shills that he is trying to engineer with his absolutely absurd loss to orange man…
Righties really trying hard to wedge-drive this, I see.
I cant wait for the day after the election so lefties can shit on Biden rightfully and people stop pretending hes good.
Im not American but hasn’t Biden achieved more than most presidents in recent history?
The short answer is Biden is pretty average at best, meaning I think most average presidents in his position and circumstances would’ve done similar things. He’s stable in that regard.
But that’s better than above-average fascist.
Define achieve?
A lot of stuff was rebound from Covid lows and undoing Trump fuckery. He’s continued on with a lot of Obama’s policies and expanded on some.
He campaigned on the status quo and that’s what he’s done, which is frankly not good because the status quo is exactly why the issues that existed in the first place exist.
If that’s what you’re waiting for, then you really don’t have a grasp on the zeitgeist.
We’ll see.
Exact same thing happened last election on reddit.
Everyone rallied around Biden, straight after it was back to shitting on him, I expect little different here if he wins.
Sorry, can you please elaborate what you mean?
Personally I’ve always maintained that Biden is pretty average; but literally all I’m looking for during these days where rampant fascism and general bigotry is on the rise — and when our literal Democracy is on the line and trying to be actively thwarted by forces foreign and domestic — is stability. Average, stable sounds great relative to the guaranteed alternative. Such is the dichotomy we live with every election cycle.
Yes, post-election when fascism may be averted, pressure rises from both sides: (1) From the left to try to compel Biden to greater action, and (2) Pure mudslinging from the right-wing propaganda machine. That’s par for the course and would be no different if Bernie himself was put in office.
I want Trump to lose, I don’t care who or how that happens.
Im saying many leftists went on about how good he would be etc, so as to not lose momentum snd afterwards they went right back to being more honest about how shit he is.
All i want is the return to that truth, because then we can start pushing for the radical changes needed. Biden and lib dems cannot be “compelled”, they dont listen to the concerns of the people over corporate interests. The only solution is to get back to agitating for overthrowing the state and working on that goal.
It’s not long now until this election diversion is over and we can focus on more pressing issues, so I’m excited.
I have shit on Biden and Dems whenever I feel like it, I’m just not a useful idiot / paid propagandist trying to pretend Biden is a worse choice than Donald, so it’s pretty well received. Maybe try that.
Either am I, yet here you are suggesting I am?
I couldn’t say for you, but the person above you is ignoring Ukrainians while being hopping mad about Palestinians, as if Repubs would be ending that conflict? Oh, but, mind you, ending the conflict without doing anything remotely close to escalation towards WWIII, which he is also enraged about and claiming is beginning.
Elsewhere in here he is sobbing on behalf of Flint, Michigan. Donald was present for four of those years he is crying about? Did he do any infrastructure bills or anything to assist? No, it was trillions in handouts to billionaires and dismantling the EPA.
His thesis here is “both sides equally bad” and “Biden has become worse than Trump.” Demonstratively untrue. So I can say there’s a decent chance that person is a Repub cosplaying or some sort of paid propagandist.
IDGAF if you like or hate Biden. I don’t think you should side with or defend that person. They are dishonest, possibly deliberately so.
Really?
You think a bit of Twitter sass comes even close to Donald Trump? With the sexual assaults, blatant nepotism, attacks (quite literally) on free speech, sedition, fraud, fearmongering politicisation of an epidemic leading to the deaths of millions, I could go on but frankly I’d hit the character limit?
You think Biden comes even close to Trump?
No, I think an actually perpetrated genocide push does. I think an actual union squash does. I think reckless global military aggression does. I think Biden is currently as culpable or more culpable than Bush Jr, and it chaps my ass to bone that Bush Jr is still out there doing watercolors in his cozy safe compound.
Trump posted a lot of tweets but didn’t do anything beyond J6.
Biden has enabled a genocide and done many other things that we cant simply come back from.
Again. Both need to be locked up. Banished. Tortured. Dragged to Hades by imps with burning cold talons intentionally plunged into the most sensitive tissue on their decaying meat sacks. Chenney and Bush should take the car before Biden and Trump.
But yes. Biden continually insists that he is as bad or worse than Trump, and both spell major war.
So this is why I say the 2 party system must be rejected and we must keep both Trump and Biden out of office in 2025.
And what genocide would that be? The one being committed by the Israelis? What makes you think Trump wouldn’t do exactly the same? Or did you forget that Trump’s history with dealing with issues in the middle east? Or human lives in general?
Because trump is soooo pro-worker. He’d never do the same or worse /s
You mean like Trump actually did? Directly? As in he ordered shit to go down, as opposed to blaming Biden for Netanyahu’s actions? You do remember Trump directly nearly pulled us into a war with Iran right?
Why is Biden on equal levels to GWB here? Biden sold weapons to Israel, sure. GWB literally started two fucking wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for made up reasons.
You’re kinda glossing over the part where Donald Trump tried to literally end American democracy.
Oh fucking spare me. Donald Trump never gave two shits about the lives involved in the issues he was involved in. If he were in office today he’d be calling it an excellent business deal.
Donald Trump is the kind of man that would kill millions of his own voters so he could politicise a deadly event. We know this because he literally did. Do you really think he’d give two fucks about selling weapons to Israel?
The only thing that would make him have sleepless nights over it is the thought that he didn’t profit enough from it
Its very funny how the russian shills do such a good job of ignoring that the Gazan genocide is an orchestrated distraction. Oh yeah, lets totes vote against status quo joe bc (checks notes) genocide, so we can get the unequivocal slaughter of Ukrainians and, at that point, other Eastern Europeans. Great, great logic emanating from the propaganda campaign of our international enemy who stands to lose a great deal should their candidate in our election lose.
Thanks for pushing back. Doing the lords work here.
The one he was documented as instructing his Secretary of State to evade congressional oversight to deliver US explosives.
Trump probably would. In his first term he was too incompetent to figure out how to.
Remove “he is better than Trump” from your… extremely damaging contributions. I disavow both.
Because contrary to popular belief, GWB wasnt some complete unknowing doof. He was a co-author of the Plan for the New America Century. Which was some dystopian shit that basically, before the event, described what would happen after 9/11. And then he got the presidency and surprise surprise… 9/11 happened immediately after he got in office.
Kind of like how Biden has a long track record of laying down policy in regards to Israel, and he becomes President, and Israel is genociding and he has ALL of the funding lines and back-room loopholes to really just let them Palestinians have it.
Yes, Trump has usurped the RNC primary process this season. And Biden killed the DNC primary process this season.
Again, I hate and reject both.
Youve made it clear. Your brain is incapable of understanding an order of operation beyond 1/0.
Shut the fuck up and develop some critical thinking skills.
This is low key a very important election. The DNC has signed in triplicate for WWIII and Dark Brandon just gave us a Homelander meme to let us know that is exactly what is going on.
Trump on the other hand really missing his Diet Coke button and wants to give more money to Texas and Florida.
Trump must be stopped. Biden must be stopped. RNC must be stopped. DNC must be stopped.
Stop shitting your pants over Biden like he MUST WIN.
He is also SUPER MEGA ULTRA BAD.
We must reject the 2 party system.
You do realise there is such a thing as different levels of bad right?
Kinda like how video game piracy isn’t on the same level of murder?
See I never called Biden good. But ethically his record is a metric fuck ton cleaner than DJT or GWB.
Biden has done some bad things and I don’t agree with him on everything. But it’s some fucking hyperbole to put him up next to a warmonger and a seditious traitor and put them all as equals.
I’m not addressing the rest of your nonsense because it is just that. Starting with the fact that New American Century was infact a conservative movement for the Republican party, made by William Kristol and Robert Kagan
So maybe take your own advice and:
Edit: Autocorrect fuckup in a name
You did a great job undermining their rhetoric. To add, it’s important to dismantle their non-sequitur / logical-leap that is the oft-touted “Biden is responsible for Genocide in Gaza.” by wedge-drivers or people who drank the kool-aid.
Many of us are cognizant of humanitarian crisis there, and genocide does appear to be happening (I say that as no international body to my knowledge as formally concluded such). But to place that all on Biden doesn’t make sense, considering:
You said the most important thing, which is that Trump would be an order-of-magnitude worse under these circumstances for the civilians of Gaza, and that should be more than enough for anyone logically thinking this through. Now Is it fair to put pressure on Biden to change course in supplying and supporting Israel? Sure, there’s a time and place insofar as that doesn’t enable Trump to win.
That’s an excellent breakdown on the ‘Biden is responsible for Israel’ fallacy. Israel is a separate nation with its own governance.
As you said, October 7th was a massacre. And while I agree that Israel had the right of response, I don’t think anybody could have reasonably predicted what that response would look like. It makes GWB’s response to 9/11 look measured and controlled by comparison; over 50,000 dead civilians in 5 months. That’s almost the same amount of civilian deaths in the Iraq war (according to Wikileaks) in it’s entirety, and that went on for 8 years.
What I do blame Biden for is the lack of political response up to this point. They obviously can’t do shit about weapons they already sent, but they could have easily done something about what they continue to send.
Realistically speaking I don’t think we could have gotten a Ukraine-esque response, but next to nothing, after it has become undoubtedly clear what’s happening over there is genocide?
Oh my lordy you’ve hit QAnon levels of delusion.
You and what army? Since you’ll need a population larger than the army to make any difference here. The 2 parties have a lot of power, you see. You can opt out of the whole thing but that doesn’t really do anything unless you have a large enough group of people voting for the same exact third party voter.
No one here likes the 2 party system, but most of us realize that until we have a real uprising or groundswell support for someone who can win >50% of the vote, opting out of voting means throwing your right to actually making change in this country away - embracing slactivism.
And with that Lemmy post, the world took up arms and changed the whole system and everyone lived happily ever after
If only.
And Kbin for the record.
America is neck deep in fascism.
Third party or major war.
I dont see how it could happen, but I’m hoping for third party.
I wish we could magic it to happen, but Superbowl and other pressing matters, you know?
For now, I’ll take war & late stage capitalism > war & late stage capitalism & bigotry & fuck my taxes
Lol, okay kiddo
bros toes are curling in anger
Bros toes paralyzed by diabetic neuropathy.
This bitches toes couldn’t turn if they wanted it.
Stfu “klishdfsdf”. You a clown.
Wait we in WWIII?
Yaas honey.
Did you think the DNC newsletter was hood enough to report the many different military strikes that America has perpetrated in the middle east in the past month?
Sweet “innocent” summer child.
Biden’s pentagon just drone exploded EVERYONE in the middle east.
Honey?
😞
Term of endearment.
Meant to not make you feel bad about not realizing the global military conflict that Israel is doing its damndest to spark.
But I’m sure you are aware of all that, sweetie.
Oh my god the Pentagon has drones which are capable of simultaneously exploding every single person in the Middle East?!
Said the totally not political operative.
Hey you fellers wanna smoke some grass and talk about unfounded conspiracy theories?
Found Joe Rogan
TIL Joe Biden controls the Israel-Palestine conflict.