Janeway was given the option to murder a sentient, self-aware individual being in order to bring back her two dead friends. The ends don’t justify the means.
It’s the opposite of their ideals, but it seems real in line with their practices (with the possible exception of Picard who is some sort of scrupulous perfectionist at least after season 1)
What if you could save two of your friends by killing a sentien, self-aware alien that is trying to kill them? What makes their lives more valuable than random alien mook #49. In this case it’s the justice and motivation that justifies the ends.
PS: And yeah it’s still wrong to murder tuvix but very “primitive human” to sacrifice one to save their own tribe (see quark in little green men). But her real crime was insisting to return to the alpha quadrant instead of settling somewhere safe and build a second federation.
No one was trying to kill Tuvok and Neelix, they were already dead. Victims of a tragic transporter accident which unfortunately ended their lives, with the additional result of a completely different individual coming into existence. Which brings me to
Tuvix isn’t a belligerent, he is a complete innocent. He bears zero responsibility for the manner in which he came to be, he simply exists and, like every other living, rational being, wishes to continue existing.
Janeway’s actions were not a matter of defense of others by killing an enemy who was threatening them, they were a ritual sacrifice of an innocent as a dark offering to return her dead back to life. The fact that her means was technological rather that magical doesn’t change the fact that she murdered an innocent person to bring back two people who were already dead.
a ritual sacrifice of an innocent as a dark offering to return her dead back to life
Haha I love that. It would have been awesome if Tuvix “mental energy” would have reappeared later to haunt the ship and take possession of various ship systems to kill Janeway. Mostly by coffee.
Option 1, all the way. Neelix and Tuvok were already lost in a tragic transporter accident.
More lives saved more better in most cases. Option 2 no question
Yep. I always vote that she did the closest to the right thing. It was an absolute no win situation and she made the tough decision.
And I will always love the fact that she herself did it. She didn’t make anybody else push that button
She told the doctor to do it iirc who refused based on first do no harm.
oooh yeah. Forgot that.
Can we kill you to harvest your organs? Think how many people we can save.
You haven’t seen my organs
If I was built out of the organs of two other people who were dying as a result, yes you can return them to their original owners
Janeway was given the option to murder a sentient, self-aware individual being in order to bring back her two dead friends. The ends don’t justify the means.
She killed one non-crew member to save two crew members (one of whom was important to ship functions). She did the Starfleet thing.
Yeah, that’s murder. Why she decided to murder a guy isn’t terribly relevant, she straight up murdered Tuvix.
Absolutely it’s murder, but she murdered a non-Federation citizen with good cause, which is what I’d expect a Captain to do
Oof, yeah, I definitely would disagree there! That’s the antithesis of the Federation and Starfleet’s ideals.
It’s the opposite of their ideals, but it seems real in line with their practices (with the possible exception of Picard who is some sort of scrupulous perfectionist at least after season 1)
Think we’ll have to agree to disagree here.
What if you could save two of your friends by killing a sentien, self-aware alien that is trying to kill them? What makes their lives more valuable than random alien mook #49. In this case it’s the justice and motivation that justifies the ends.
PS: And yeah it’s still wrong to murder tuvix but very “primitive human” to sacrifice one to save their own tribe (see quark in little green men). But her real crime was insisting to return to the alpha quadrant instead of settling somewhere safe and build a second federation.
False analogy.
No one was trying to kill Tuvok and Neelix, they were already dead. Victims of a tragic transporter accident which unfortunately ended their lives, with the additional result of a completely different individual coming into existence. Which brings me to
Tuvix isn’t a belligerent, he is a complete innocent. He bears zero responsibility for the manner in which he came to be, he simply exists and, like every other living, rational being, wishes to continue existing.
Janeway’s actions were not a matter of defense of others by killing an enemy who was threatening them, they were a ritual sacrifice of an innocent as a dark offering to return her dead back to life. The fact that her means was technological rather that magical doesn’t change the fact that she murdered an innocent person to bring back two people who were already dead.
Haha I love that. It would have been awesome if Tuvix “mental energy” would have reappeared later to haunt the ship and take possession of various ship systems to kill Janeway. Mostly by coffee.
Given all of the issues that the federation has seen with transporters, I am shocked that they are even allowed to be used at all.
Fewer mouths to caffeineate.