Frankly I’m tired of these made up questions. Do you want to compromise with progressives and leftists or lose to fascists? Stop bargaining, make a choice and be confident that the outcome is what you chose.
So your choice is to lose to fascists…? Because if people don’t vote for Biden, Democrats will lose to fascists.
No made up analogy there. Straight up go to jail, don’t pass go, end of democracy, Trump dictatorship. This honestly is not hyperbole this time around.
So even though you don’t think it’s what you’re doing, you’re choosing neutrality. And “neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.”
I’d consider myself more a leftist than not, but I’m not blind. Events like this make it quite clear how much worse the other option is. Neither side actually cares, so I’m going with the side that does the least harm, even though I don’t think it goes far enough.
You’re free to call yourself whatever you want but all you’re doing is repeating moderate talking points for them. Whatever your beliefs are, your actions support moderate politics. The same politics which have failed to address Trump.
Of course. Hasn’t everyone? But the moderates hold all the power, both in Washington and in the media; which means that if they won’t make a compromise with the left, they’ll make a compromise with the right. And remember, there currently is no moderate right.
Again as someone from a minority wing I’m not “letting” them do anything. If I’m not a part of a large enough wing to warrant compromise then I’m not a part of a large enough wing to have an impact. Moderates can’t keep controlling the narrative that people like me are at fault while also being irrelevant. They need to pick one. Until they do, I’m going with I’m irrelevant.
Moderates criticisms of leftists and progressives score much much higher than the other way around. I’d like to see that change. If it changes here it will either mean everyday opinions have shifted or cause everyday opinions to shift.
People need to start telling moderates as the majority voting bloc when Democrat candidates lose it’s their fault.
Again with the “you guys.” I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.
Anyway, you don’t have to “give in.” We just have to recognize that the only party who has a ghost of a chance of (a) getting into office and (b) doing things we want is the one that put Biden on the slate.
If your person is popular enough he will win, if not, we’ll that’s the horse that y’all bet on knowing how so many of us feel.
I don’t have any more control over the DNC than you do, so stop acting like this is any more than a tantrum. You don’t need to convince me. You just need to find a way to deal with your anger that doesn’t result in the deaths of millions.
I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.
Because you’re spending your time and energy lecturing leftists and progressives. Unless you can somehow show me that you’re spending more time lecturing moderates then your actions are full support for Democrat politicians regardless of what your actual beliefs are.
Bro, I’m not taking homework from you. I have no need to prove myself to you. You’re going to either need to trust me on this, or just shut up about it, because I’m not going to provide you audio recordings of me talking to my current neighbors or people back in my hometown, or my private text conversations with people who I grew up with, or my Facebook comment discussions with people I barely know. I don’t harangue people on Lemmy about leftism because most of the people on Lemmy are already predisposed to our side.
Don’t mistake online life for the only part of real life.
I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.
I explained and explained how you could debunk that idea. I never suggested you had to. But until you do your comments say you’re “all-in on Democrats”.
I don’t harangue people on Lemmy about leftism because most of the people on Lemmy are already predisposed to our side.
And yet you defend moderates at every turn. Buddy, you’re a moderate. You’re a full blown Democrat establishment supporter. If you really are on the side of leftists and progressives then fucking stop fighting with us.
you’re spending your time and energy lecturing leftists and progressives.
I’m really not. I type quickly, and I’m here anyway. My time and energy goes into my family and my community, which is why I actually care about what happens in November in more than just the abstract.
Buddy. You are literally spending time arguing with us. I didn’t say you didn’t spend time with family or community. Just that you are here and putting time and effort arguing with us.
If you aren’t spending a greater amount of time and energy lecturing moderates guess what? That’s where we get the idea you’re “all-in on Democrats”. Because you spend more time and energy defending them than criticizing them.
Cool, just tell that to all the Palestinians that Ogles wants to kill. I’m sure that’ll make them feel better that it’s not you in particular who bears the responsibility for their deaths.
Stand up in the primaries, we’re in the general election now. This is the only strategy that works with FPTP.
The 6 months before the general election is the only period when you don’t want to create division. That gives you 3 years and 6 months for critical discussion which is fairly reasonable.
We did. There were a wide range of leftist and progressive candidates to chose from. Moderates said “none of those we choose this old guy who’s gonna block strikes, force federal workers back into the office and supply weapons to Israel.”
Frankly I’m tired of these made up questions. Do you want to compromise with progressives and leftists or lose to fascists? Stop bargaining, make a choice and be confident that the outcome is what you chose.
So your choice is to lose to fascists…? Because if people don’t vote for Biden, Democrats will lose to fascists.
No made up analogy there. Straight up go to jail, don’t pass go, end of democracy, Trump dictatorship. This honestly is not hyperbole this time around.
Sounds like y’all need our help but aren’t willing to listen to us.
I heard all this same shit last time.
I am done being the only one who has to compromise.
Fix your candidate if you want my votes
Sounds like you better try to work on moderates then.
So even though you don’t think it’s what you’re doing, you’re choosing neutrality. And “neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.”
I’d consider myself more a leftist than not, but I’m not blind. Events like this make it quite clear how much worse the other option is. Neither side actually cares, so I’m going with the side that does the least harm, even though I don’t think it goes far enough.
You’re free to call yourself whatever you want but all you’re doing is repeating moderate talking points for them. Whatever your beliefs are, your actions support moderate politics. The same politics which have failed to address Trump.
I’m not beholden to any party or wing thereof. I see a news story like this, though, and I’ll do whatever I can to keep that party out of office.
Have you tried telling moderates they need to wise up and start compromising with progressives and leftists?
Of course. Hasn’t everyone? But the moderates hold all the power, both in Washington and in the media; which means that if they won’t make a compromise with the left, they’ll make a compromise with the right. And remember, there currently is no moderate right.
Which deal do you want to see?
Give me some examples.
Yes, moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives. They’re selfish pieces of shit.
Agreed. Doesn’t mean that letting their selfishness kill people is the right option.
Come on, man. You’re on Lemmy. You’ve seen every third post in /c/politics. You know the score.
Again as someone from a minority wing I’m not “letting” them do anything. If I’m not a part of a large enough wing to warrant compromise then I’m not a part of a large enough wing to have an impact. Moderates can’t keep controlling the narrative that people like me are at fault while also being irrelevant. They need to pick one. Until they do, I’m going with I’m irrelevant.
Moderates criticisms of leftists and progressives score much much higher than the other way around. I’d like to see that change. If it changes here it will either mean everyday opinions have shifted or cause everyday opinions to shift.
People need to start telling moderates as the majority voting bloc when Democrat candidates lose it’s their fault.
Then you will continue to lap at their heels.
Or, you can stand up and find your voice and fight with us against it
And how many people will the Republicans kill, disenfranchise, or otherwise dehumanize before somebody starts listening to my voice?
I certainly couldn’t have that on my conscience.
But you will if you guys continue to say fuck you to is.
You guys are choosing to run that candidate with all the risk that takes.
Why is it ALWAYS on us to give in to you guys?
If your person is popular enough he will win, if not, we’ll that’s the horse that y’all bet on knowing how so many of us feel.
Again with the “you guys.” I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.
Anyway, you don’t have to “give in.” We just have to recognize that the only party who has a ghost of a chance of (a) getting into office and (b) doing things we want is the one that put Biden on the slate.
I don’t have any more control over the DNC than you do, so stop acting like this is any more than a tantrum. You don’t need to convince me. You just need to find a way to deal with your anger that doesn’t result in the deaths of millions.
Because you’re spending your time and energy lecturing leftists and progressives. Unless you can somehow show me that you’re spending more time lecturing moderates then your actions are full support for Democrat politicians regardless of what your actual beliefs are.
Bro, I’m not taking homework from you. I have no need to prove myself to you. You’re going to either need to trust me on this, or just shut up about it, because I’m not going to provide you audio recordings of me talking to my current neighbors or people back in my hometown, or my private text conversations with people who I grew up with, or my Facebook comment discussions with people I barely know. I don’t harangue people on Lemmy about leftism because most of the people on Lemmy are already predisposed to our side.
Don’t mistake online life for the only part of real life.
You said
I explained and explained how you could debunk that idea. I never suggested you had to. But until you do your comments say you’re “all-in on Democrats”.
And yet you defend moderates at every turn. Buddy, you’re a moderate. You’re a full blown Democrat establishment supporter. If you really are on the side of leftists and progressives then fucking stop fighting with us.
Also,
I’m really not. I type quickly, and I’m here anyway. My time and energy goes into my family and my community, which is why I actually care about what happens in November in more than just the abstract.
Buddy. You are literally spending time arguing with us. I didn’t say you didn’t spend time with family or community. Just that you are here and putting time and effort arguing with us.
If you aren’t spending a greater amount of time and energy lecturing moderates guess what? That’s where we get the idea you’re “all-in on Democrats”. Because you spend more time and energy defending them than criticizing them.
Moderates are the majority voting bloc. They must take the lions share of the responsibility.
Cool, just tell that to all the Palestinians that Ogles wants to kill. I’m sure that’ll make them feel better that it’s not you in particular who bears the responsibility for their deaths.
You realize Palestinians are dying today as a result of bombs being given to Israel by Biden through an executive order right?
Yes. And I also realize that the other side wants to drive our military over there to do it ourselves. Both sides suck. One side sucks way more.
Then get on telling moderates they’re selfish pieces of shit.
Stand up in the primaries, we’re in the general election now. This is the only strategy that works with FPTP.
The 6 months before the general election is the only period when you don’t want to create division. That gives you 3 years and 6 months for critical discussion which is fairly reasonable.
We did. There were a wide range of leftist and progressive candidates to chose from. Moderates said “none of those we choose this old guy who’s gonna block strikes, force federal workers back into the office and supply weapons to Israel.”