yeap, uplifting. Again.

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    It is uplifting. A child born under awful circumstances overcame there obstacles that life handed her where most people would fail. Props to her father and mentors for helping her, too.

    Seems like a stretch to post this here but I imagine there’s some hoop jumping someone’s gonna do to justify it.

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      The community rallied around her to give her the support she needed to succeed. What might happen if we helped everyone?

      • @glimse
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        Then more people would succeed. But that has nothing to do with a dystopian society, that’s just human nature. Been going on like that forever

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      “Awful circumstances”.

      What were the circumstances? Why would most people fail in those circumstances?

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        Being born to a criminal?? In a jail no less?

        Generational trauma is hard to escape.

        • @SpaceNoodle
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          53 months ago

          In a different timeline, she grew up to be Bane

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          “A criminal”. Society decides who is a criminal, and decides to let a baby be born in a prison.

          You didn’t even ask why the woman was in prison in the first place before deciding she was the problem, so you’re believing society’s branding of her as a criminal. Gee, I wonder if attitudes like that make it harder on someone who was born in prison?

          • @glimse
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            I am making the assumption that she wasn’t wrongfully imprisoned, yes. The only context I have to go on is that she’s never spoken to her daughter.

            Why are you assuming she wasn’t a criminal? Are white women statistically likely to be sent to jail for minor crimes?

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              So the fact that the US has the largest prison system in history, with nearly 1% of its entire population imprisoned, and nearly 25% of the entire world’s prison population, doesn’t make you think that maybe society has some role in deciding how many people get sent to prison? Do you think that the US is just somehow filled with an especially “criminal” class of person?

              And going to prison does enormous harm to individuals. You don’t know what that woman’s life might’ve been like without prison, without the poverty that prison causes, or without the poverty-to-prison pipeline, without having her daughter forcibly taken away from her.

              And of course she’s a criminal, but that’s a legal status. There isn’t some separate lower class of human being that is a “criminal”. You seem to be talking as if she is a “criminal” in some other sense of the word.

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                You’re out here wishfully thinking and making a ton of assumptions based on nothing and I’m saying she was born with half the support structure therefore had more hurdles to jump. Why are we talking about the mother’s crime again?

                Ironically this is exactly what I said would happen in my first post - someone jumping through hoops to spin this as dystopian

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                  You’re out here wishfully thinking and making a ton of assumptions based on nothing and I’m saying she was born with half the support structure therefore had more hurdles to jump. Why are we talking about the mother’s crime again?

                  I’m going to be honest with you, I have no idea what you’re even trying to say here. Like… just find the quotes or something and copy them here. This is so vague I just don’t even know what you’re referring to.

                  Ironically this is exactly what I said would happen in my first post - someone jumping through hoops to spin this as dystopian

                  the largest prison system in history, with nearly 1% of its entire population imprisoned, and nearly 25% of the entire world’s prison population

                  How on earth do you spin that as not dystopian? You have to ignore it, right? Because that’s what you’ve done.

                  • @glimse
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                    I’m not gonna bother quoting you because it’s pretty easy to follow. You were going on about how society deemed her mother a criminal which sure sounds like you’re assuming what she did wasn’t worthy of getting sent to jail and I’m asking…why are we talking about the mother? The story is about the daughter.

                    The hoops you’re jumping through is going from a story about a girl overcoming obstacles to talking about how being in jail is bad. It simply does not matter for this story. We’re not talking about the morals of incarceration.

                    Are you incapable of being happy about something because something else is bad? If I told you I found a $20 on the ground, would you remind me that capitalism is destroying the world? Such a downer.

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              You’ve just admitted that there are other factors. Do you think the prison industrial complex plays an insignificant role?

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                Your claim does not arise from my comment. From my comment, you can only infer the perpetrator’s responsibility.

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                  Ah, so the context in which your comment occurs is completely irrelevant, just like the context in which a woman was forced to give birth in a prison and then to give up said baby is also, apparently, irrelevant.

                  Tell me, was there any reason you felt the need to spout this random fact, or did it occur to you to write those words in that order under my comment entirely ex-nihilo?

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                    The context is certainly relevant. Your comment dehumanizes and objectifies her. You insinuate that events were imposed upon her.

                    My comment recognizes her own role. She was able to affect her own destiny, by making decisions and taking actions affecting herself and those around her.

                    You would deprive her of the effectiveness of her acts, rendering them meaningless. You would strip her of her agency.