I’m sure we can compromise on a mandatory database of registered AI-generated content that only the corporations can read from but everyone using AI-generated content is required by law to write to, with hefty fines (but only for regular people).
Oh goody. I’ve been wanting to use this since my slashdot days… today is my first chance!
Your post advocates a
[x] technical
[ ] legislative
[ ] market-based
[ ] vigilante
approach to fighting (ML-generated) spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why
it won't work. [One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea,
and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad
federal law was passed.][ ] Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
[ ] Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
[ ] No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
[ ] It is defenseless against brute force attacks
[ ] It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
[ ] Users of email will not put up with it
[x] Microsoft will not put up with it
[ ] The police will not put up with it
[x] Requires too much cooperation from spammers
[x] Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
[ ] Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
[ ] Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
[ ] Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
[ ] Laws expressly prohibiting it
[x] Lack of centrally controlling authority for email^W ML algorithms
[ ]Open relays in foreign countries
[ ] Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
[x] Asshats
[ ] Jurisdictional problems
[ ] Unpopularity of weird new taxes
[ ] Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
[ ] Huge existing software investment in SMTP
[ ] Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
[ ] Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
[ ] Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
[x] Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
[x] Extreme profitability of spam
[ ] Joe jobs and/or identity theft
[ ] Technically illiterate politicians
[ ] Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
[x] Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
[ ] Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
[x] Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
[x] Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
[ ] Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
[ ] SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
[ ] Blacklists suck
[ ] Whitelists suck
[ ] We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
[ ] Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
[ ] Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
[ ] Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
[ ] Sending email should be free
[x] Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
[ ] Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
[x] Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
[ ] Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
[ ] I don't want the government reading my email
[ ] Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
[x] Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
[ ] This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
[ ] Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
Oh, do me next, do me. Open source adversarial models trained to detect and actively label things which it detects as belonging to AI. Probably would end up looking like a browser extension or something. Ublock, but for AI, basically.
The AIs dont want anything themselves and those who make the decisions about them want the most profit, what costs more, verifying training data or AI incest?
Maybe we need to label AI-generated content to, you know, avoid confusion.
Sorry, best we can do is a race to the bottom fueled by greed and incompetence.
That will be a refeshing change.
That’s what has been happening, and is likely what will continue to happen. Not much change there really…
Yes that’s the joke.
Wouldn’t it have to be funny to be a joke?
I thought I was being funny. Sorry if it didn’t tickle you just right.
Please respect my personal space and refrain from tickling me.
Comedy is hard.
I’m sure we can compromise on a mandatory database of registered AI-generated content that only the corporations can read from but everyone using AI-generated content is required by law to write to, with hefty fines (but only for regular people).
Oh goody. I’ve been wanting to use this since my slashdot days… today is my first chance!
Your post advocates a [x] technical [ ] legislative [ ] market-based [ ] vigilante approach to fighting (ML-generated) spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. [One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.] [ ] Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses [ ] Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected [ ] No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money [ ] It is defenseless against brute force attacks [ ] It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it [ ] Users of email will not put up with it [x] Microsoft will not put up with it [ ] The police will not put up with it [x] Requires too much cooperation from spammers [x] Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once [ ] Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers [ ] Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists [ ] Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business Specifically, your plan fails to account for [ ] Laws expressly prohibiting it [x] Lack of centrally controlling authority for email^W ML algorithms [ ] Open relays in foreign countries [ ] Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses [x] Asshats [ ] Jurisdictional problems [ ] Unpopularity of weird new taxes [ ] Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money [ ] Huge existing software investment in SMTP [ ] Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack [ ] Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email [ ] Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes [x] Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches [x] Extreme profitability of spam [ ] Joe jobs and/or identity theft [ ] Technically illiterate politicians [ ] Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers [x] Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves [ ] Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering [x] Outlook and the following philosophical objections may also apply: [x] Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical [ ] Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable [ ] SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation [ ] Blacklists suck [ ] Whitelists suck [ ] We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored [ ] Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud [ ] Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks [ ] Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually [ ] Sending email should be free [x] Why should we have to trust you and your servers? [ ] Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses [x] Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem [ ] Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome [ ] I don't want the government reading my email [ ] Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough Furthermore, this is what I think about you: [x] Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work. [ ] This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it. [ ] Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!I traced this baby back to January 19th, 2004: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt
Thanks, I was wondering how old it was when they said “Slashdot days.”
Oh, do me next, do me. Open source adversarial models trained to detect and actively label things which it detects as belonging to AI. Probably would end up looking like a browser extension or something. Ublock, but for AI, basically.
Sounds great, how do we enforce it?
If the AIs want to avoid digital incest they’ll enforce it for themselves.
The AIs dont want anything themselves and those who make the decisions about them want the most profit, what costs more, verifying training data or AI incest?
Sounds like something an advanced language learning model would say…
It’s important to understand that a language modelling AI can only produce responses based on its inputs.
Ah, you’re suggesting using RFC 3514. Good thinking.
Thank you for bringing that standard to my attention.
Far too late for that now.