• dinckel
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      3149 months ago

      DisplayPort already exists

      • @[email protected]
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        1279 months ago

        We cannot have two standards, that’s ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.

        • @[email protected]
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          169 months ago

          It’s usually easy enough to adapt it as needed. It can typically send signals compatible with HDMI and DVI-D just fine.

          • @[email protected]
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            119 months ago

            The passive adapters that connect to DP++ ports probably still rely on this HDMI specific driver/firmware support for these features.

        • @BetaDoggo_
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          879 months ago

          USB-C display output uses the Display Port protocol

          • @ABCDE
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            249 months ago

            Can it use others, and is there a benefit? USB C makes a lot of sense; lower material usage, small, carries data, power and connects to almost everything now.

            • @BetaDoggo_
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              529 months ago

              I believe USB-C is the only connector supported for carrying DisplayPort signals other than DisplayPort itself.

              The biggest issue with USB-C for display in my opinion is that cable specs vary so much. A cable with a type c end could carry anywhere from 60-10000MB/s and deliver anywhere from 5-240W. What’s worse is that most aren’t labeled, so even if you know what spec you need you’re going to have a hell of a time finding it in a pile of identical black cables.

              Not that I dislike USB-C. It’s a great connector, but the branding of USB has always been a mess.

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                would be neat to somehow have a standard color coding. kinda how USB 3 is (usually) blue, maybe there could be thin bands of color on the connector?

                better yet, maybe some raised bumps so visually impaired people could feel what type it was. for example one dot is USB 2, two could be USB 3, etc

                • @[email protected]
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                  209 months ago

                  Have you looked at the naming of the usb standards? No you havn’t otherwise you wouldn’t make this sensible suggestion.

                  • strawberry
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                    69 months ago

                    the shenenigans with USB 3 naming you mean? you’re right, this would be too logical for USB lol

              • jaxxed
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                49 months ago

                I think that the biggest issue with dp over usbc is that people are going to try to use the same cable for 4k and large data transfers at the same time, and will then whine about weird behaviour.

                • @ABCDE
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                  19 months ago

                  4K works for mine (it’s 3.2).

              • @ABCDE
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                39 months ago

                Yep, very true. I didn’t understand this until I couldn’t connect my Mac to my screen via the USB C given with the computer, I had to buy another (and order it in specifically). Pick up a cable, and I have no idea which version it is.

              • cum
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                19 months ago

                Yeah I have multiple USB cables, some at 30w, and some at 140w. Get them mixed up all the time! More companies need to at least brand the wattage on the connectors.

              • @Mr_Dr_Oink
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                19 months ago

                Dont forget the limited length. I cant remember exactly but usb c delivering power has a max length of arpund 4 metres

              • @Freestylesno
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                09 months ago

                This is the big issue I have with with “USB C”. USB c is just the connector which can be used for so many things. What actual is supported depends on things you can’t see, like the cable construction or what the device supports.

            • @[email protected]
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              69 months ago

              There’s some really high bandwidth stuff that USB-C isn’t rated for. You have to really press the limits, though. Something like 4k + 240Hz + HDR.

              • @ABCDE
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                19 months ago

                That doesn’t even seem so unreasonable. Is that the limit though? My cable puts a gigabyte a second down it so I wouldn’t imagine that would hit the limit.

                • @GeniusIsme
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                  29 months ago

                  It is trivial arithmetic: 4.52403840*2160 ≈ 9 GB/ s. Not even close. Even worse, that cable will struggle to get ordinary 60hz 4k delivered.

                  • @pirat
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                    4.5 × 240 × 3840 × 2160 ≈ 9 GB/s

                    It seems markdown formatting ruined your numbers because of the asterisks. Whatever is written between two of those turns italic, so they’re not ideal for multiplication symbols here on Lemmy (or any other place that implements markdown formatting).

                  • @ABCDE
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                    19 months ago

                    I think the maths got a bit funky there. I don’t think a cable capable of such speeds would struggled to do 60Hz at 4K, it surely doesn’t need close to a gigabyte a second?

                • @[email protected]
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                  29 months ago

                  USB-C with Thunderbolt currently had a limit of 40Gbit/sec. Wikipedia has a table of what DisplayPort can do at that bandwidth:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

                  See the section “Resolution and refresh frequency limits”. The table there shows it’d be able to do 4k/144hz/10bpp just fine, but can’t keep above 60hz for 8k.

                  Its an uncompressed video signal, and that takes a lot of bandwidth. Though there is a simple lossless compression mode.

        • @[email protected]
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          209 months ago

          USB C is just a connector, you might be referring to Displayport over USB C which is basically just the same standard with a different connector at the end. That or Thunderbolt I guess

          • @Chriswild
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            49 months ago

            I thought thunderbolt was DP passthrough as well

        • @[email protected]
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          139 months ago

          USB C seems like a good idea but in reality all it really did was take my 5 different, not interchangeable, but visually distinct, cables, and make them all look identical and require labeling

        • admiralteal
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          89 months ago

          I love having mysterious cables that may or may not do things I expect them to when plugged into ports that may or may not support the features I think they do.

          • @[email protected]
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            49 months ago

            If the implementation is so broad that I have to break out my label maker, can we even really call it a “standard”

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        • @Eldritch
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          09 months ago

          Linux has very little to do with DisplayPort. My Windows PCs use DisplayPort. You can get passive adapters to switch from HDMI to DisplayPort etc.

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            • @Malfeasant
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              19 months ago

              The problem is those passive adapters only work because one side switches to the other’s protocol.

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      • wjrii
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        349 months ago

        I thought I had NSFW turned off… 🤣

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            When you’re trying to get into DPs, the outside can be slippery and the screw part can be tight! Very dangerous for the workplace.

    • @[email protected]
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      159 months ago

      As already mentioned, DisplayPort exists. The problem is adoption. Even getting DisplayPort adopted as the de facto standard for PC monitors hasn’t done anything to get it built into TVs.

      • voxel
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        19 months ago

        also there’s still no alternative to hdmi-cec

        • @[email protected]
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          29 months ago

          DisplayPort supports CEC.

          From Wikipedia:

          The DisplayPort AUX channel is a half-duplex (bidirectional) data channel used for miscellaneous additional data beyond video and audio, such as EDID (I2C) or CEC commands.

          • voxel
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            huh didn’t know. does it work in practice tho?