• @Keeponstalin
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    Enforcing an Apartheid State is a international crime against humanity too, do you support Apartheid?

    Amnesty International Report

    Human Rights Watch Report

    B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

    Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

    Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice

    AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox on Crime of Genocide

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      Mama always said, two wrong ain’t make a right. My father said that complex geopolitical games are not won with bias, but with detached foresight.

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        It’s impossible to avoid bias. I’m much more concerned with credibility from multiple independent sources to get to a comprehensive history of the conflict and a way to resolution.

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          It’s impossible to avoid bias completely. It’s very much possible to recognize your bias and train yourself to have emotional detachment from a given subject. Ask a Buddhist monk, or a seasoned intelligence analyst.

          Philosophical ramble below, you can stop reading here if you’re not in the mood.

          Most people unfortunately never get to the stage of realizing they can detach themselves from emotional bias, so they read and believe whatever they have already read and believe and want to be true.

          Side note: it’s much easier when you’re on the spectrum, or learned as a child to shut your emotions off (I’m not sure this can be learned in adulthood). It seems like many victims of childhood abuse take it in the other direction - emotional overreaction.

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            Over the last five months we’ve witnessed more than 30,600 Palestinians killed, more than 12,300 children and 6,300 women killed by Israel. With more than 70,000 injured. 99 Journalists killed too.

            We’ve seen over 360,000 homes destroyed. Nearly 400 schools, 267 Places of Worship, over 130 water wells bombed and destroyed. 23 out of 35 Hospitals don’t function anymore since they’ve gotten shelled. With the other 12 only partially functioning. Over 85% of everyone in Gaza has been displaced.

            Millions are at extreme risk of starvation and disease brought by a deliberate famine and water crisis.

            What are we talking about here?

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              What are we talking about here?

              Emotional detachment of things one has no personal involvement in, in order to see the situation as clearly as possible. If you are living in Gaza or have family or a good friend there then yes it’s much harder and maybe nearly impossible. I can also understand the need for emotional attachment to feel purpose by campaigning against something, but again, attachment is the enemy of objectivity.

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                What do you mean, I listed objective facts about what has happened in Gaza in the last five months. I think awareness is important, there is a lot of misinformation. And I am involved, my taxes fund and defend this.

                The US has been supplying Israel with these weapons, knowing exactly what they are being used for, and defending Israel on the international stage by vetoing UN ceasefire resolutions repeatedly.

                I don’t get what you’re advocating for. Do you support or oppose ethnic cleansing?

                U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts

                Full Monday Planned at UN with Focus on US Vetoes of Ceasefire, UNRWA 4th ceasefire veto

                How the U.S. Can Rein In Israel

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                    I can’t believe you linked some weird article to say “Why should I feel bad for them? I don’t even know those people!”

                    I hope you’re not seriously comparing Palestinians dying, or anyone for that matter, to an actual animal. Is being apathetic to animals also part of your argument?

                    I advocate for Palestinian emancipation because they are human and deserve basic human and civil rights, like everyone.

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      So you want Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza to be considered Israeli citizens?

      There’s a term for making people from an occupied territory into citizens of the country that’s doing the occupation. The term is annexation.

      So do you want Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza?

      The “Apartheid State” thing is just a slogan for children that don’t understand how anything works in the world.

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        Immediately, I would prefer an actual permanent ceasefire and an end to the decade long permanent occupation. I would prefer the apartheid state to be dismantled and a new state with equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians to take its place. For the millions of Palestinians refugees to have the Right of Return.

        You mean the annexation of at least 60% of the West Bank since 1967 with Palestinians subject to Military Law, weaponized Setter Violence, denied civil rights, denied rights to movement, water, and property?

        Due to the de facto annexation of the West Bank, a Two-State Solution is no longer a practical solution. The West Bank has been divided into bantustans and require an expulsion of hundreds of thousands of settlers. It’s been a one-state reality because of the Settlements built by Israel on the West Bank. Which is why a single Binational State that would ensure equal rights for all Palestinians and Israelis is the most viable resolution.

        You’re denying the investigative journalists by multiple major Human Rights Organizations, including B’TSelem (a Jewish Israeli Human Rights Org operating within Israel), detailing exactly how Israel is guilty of the Crime of Apartheid by the definitions laid out by the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (Apartheid Convention) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute). You could read the first few pages of any of those reports I linked, calling them childish is laughable.

        Palestinians denied civil rights including Military Court

        Palestinian Prisoners in Israel including Child abuse

        Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, No freedom of movement, and also Water control

        Exploitation of Palestinian Labor: Haaretz, MEE, 972, CMEC