The writers didn’t have much imagination with what to do with women back then other than to victimize them. It did bring attention to the issue of sexual assault, which was good, but it became a trope that really diminished Troi’s character imo.
Yeah, if you are going to have intergalactic battleships that can eradicate planets I think it is super forward thinking to have an extremely empathetic therapist sitting right next to the captain.
It is too bad Sirtis’s character was never really given agency or allowed to be smart, but at least as Star Trek fans we all know who Deanna SHOULD be and can imagine how badass and effective she was at that especially with a captain like Picard who was fairly effective at getting input from his crew.
I think the most hilarious and best way to head canon Deanna is that we are watching a public record of Starfleet’s flagship diplomatic starship and that it mightttt be considered a bit controversial that the captain brings a semi-telepathic advisor into almost every interaction with outside groups and individuals that aren’t part of the federation and they almost NEVER openly reveal this to people they are interacting with even though that might really really really piss a lot of people off. In this head canon Picard leans on Deanna all the time for critical advice about assessing the intentions of groups and individuals and she more than Riker or Data effectively functions as the second in command on the ship. Unlike the way she is portrayed in the “public record” (the tv show) where she is frequently in high stakes meetings as eye candy but rarely gets to function as an expert advisor, in reality Deanna would quickly deduce the precise motivations and intentions of individuals in the vast majority of situations and would basically hand Picard the blueprints to what the villains of the episode were going to do.
I mean, how much deus ex machina stuff does Data do that ends up saving the day? How much of that was things Deanna figured out and Data was able to rapidly construct another method in parallel they could have figured out the truth and saved the day and implement it without highlighting that Deanna just fucking read everyone’s minds.
The official starfleet record that we get to see in TNG is that she always just got headaches when bad stuff happened and was totally helpless because again people might be a little upset if Starfleet was manipulating high stakes diplomatic situations with a psychic they didn’t tell the other people involved in negotiations they had.
Well, on several occasions she accompanied Picard in situations where Riker did not and effectively functioned as his diplomatic adjutant both off- and on-screen. While it wasn’t mentioned much, she had a great deal of experience as a diplomat working under Picard. It was a disservice, again, that we saw and heard so little of it. At least, when we did, she was very capable.
It was also nice to see, on the few occasions we did, in later episodes, her stepping up into some command roles when given the chance. Her crashing the ship twice, though, was dumb.
Say what you will about picard season 3 being “fan service”, but I loved when Deanna gets one of the bigger CGI shots in the series (and really, in terms of starship porn one of the best CGI shots in Star Trek period) to save the day by power sliding a starship.
oh, no, i 😍 PIC S03. the first 2 seasons where abominable. i view that Borg Queen impromptu Pat Benetar jazz solo as the absolute nadir of Trek, and it’s literally the stuff of my nightmares.
And Picard’s dad is Gaius fucking Baltar?!?!?!?! NOOOOO!
And Picard’s dad is Gaius fucking Baltar?!?!?!?! NOOOOO!
This moment reminded me of when I saw Eat Pray Love and got to the end where the main character played by Julia Roberts rides off into the sunset on a romantic cruise with her true love who is played by Javier Bardem, the same actor who does an incredible performance as the serial killer in No Country For Old Men, which I had just watched recently, and I yelled at Julia Roberts “DO NOT RIDE IN A BOAT WITH THAT MAN”.
The writers didn’t have much imagination with what to do with women back then other than to victimize them.
To be fair, writing for a counselor bridge officer would’ve been hard mode regardless of gender. It’s not as if they had that much trouble with Yar, Crusher or Pulaski.
The year Crusher was gone was because Gates McFadden got fired from the show for advocating for her character to have more agency. Pulaski was intentionally written to be hated.
Also, Yar’s whole back story was that she grew up on a planet of roving rape gangs.
Also, Yar’s whole back story was that she grew up on a planet of roving rape gangs.
Was going to point out that this is more evidence supporting the statement of the writers not having any ideas of feminine conflicts beyond sexual assault. The last time I watched TNG, I’m pretty sure I said “what?..” out loud when she remarked on the rape gangs.
Yar? Denise Crosby left the show because they did shit with her character. And she was right. The most interesting thing they did with Yar was kill her, and Crosby got the best scenes as her alternate self, her daughter, and, again, as another past, alternate self.
Pulaski was written as Bones in menopause, which just such a huge waste of an excellent actor in Muldar. Such rough edges. But that was a whole awkward situation anyway with Gates McFadden gone and the rest of the cast being cold. It just wasn’t going to work no matter what.
Crusher had the same issues as Tori. Doctor Mommy. The most brilliant Doctor in Starfleet with the demeanor of a simpering house frau somehow. PIC S03 finally painter her as a badass, tho. All Good Things… did a decent job, too, tho.
The writers didn’t have much imagination with what to do with women back then other than to victimize them. It did bring attention to the issue of sexual assault, which was good, but it became a trope that really diminished Troi’s character imo.
I’m sure Berman was no help.
Yeah, if you are going to have intergalactic battleships that can eradicate planets I think it is super forward thinking to have an extremely empathetic therapist sitting right next to the captain.
It is too bad Sirtis’s character was never really given agency or allowed to be smart, but at least as Star Trek fans we all know who Deanna SHOULD be and can imagine how badass and effective she was at that especially with a captain like Picard who was fairly effective at getting input from his crew.
I think the most hilarious and best way to head canon Deanna is that we are watching a public record of Starfleet’s flagship diplomatic starship and that it mightttt be considered a bit controversial that the captain brings a semi-telepathic advisor into almost every interaction with outside groups and individuals that aren’t part of the federation and they almost NEVER openly reveal this to people they are interacting with even though that might really really really piss a lot of people off. In this head canon Picard leans on Deanna all the time for critical advice about assessing the intentions of groups and individuals and she more than Riker or Data effectively functions as the second in command on the ship. Unlike the way she is portrayed in the “public record” (the tv show) where she is frequently in high stakes meetings as eye candy but rarely gets to function as an expert advisor, in reality Deanna would quickly deduce the precise motivations and intentions of individuals in the vast majority of situations and would basically hand Picard the blueprints to what the villains of the episode were going to do.
I mean, how much deus ex machina stuff does Data do that ends up saving the day? How much of that was things Deanna figured out and Data was able to rapidly construct another method in parallel they could have figured out the truth and saved the day and implement it without highlighting that Deanna just fucking read everyone’s minds.
The official starfleet record that we get to see in TNG is that she always just got headaches when bad stuff happened and was totally helpless because again people might be a little upset if Starfleet was manipulating high stakes diplomatic situations with a psychic they didn’t tell the other people involved in negotiations they had.
Well, on several occasions she accompanied Picard in situations where Riker did not and effectively functioned as his diplomatic adjutant both off- and on-screen. While it wasn’t mentioned much, she had a great deal of experience as a diplomat working under Picard. It was a disservice, again, that we saw and heard so little of it. At least, when we did, she was very capable.
It was also nice to see, on the few occasions we did, in later episodes, her stepping up into some command roles when given the chance. Her crashing the ship twice, though, was dumb.
Say what you will about picard season 3 being “fan service”, but I loved when Deanna gets one of the bigger CGI shots in the series (and really, in terms of starship porn one of the best CGI shots in Star Trek period) to save the day by power sliding a starship.
oh, no, i 😍 PIC S03. the first 2 seasons where abominable. i view that Borg Queen impromptu Pat Benetar jazz solo as the absolute nadir of Trek, and it’s literally the stuff of my nightmares.
And Picard’s dad is Gaius fucking Baltar?!?!?!?! NOOOOO!
This moment reminded me of when I saw Eat Pray Love and got to the end where the main character played by Julia Roberts rides off into the sunset on a romantic cruise with her true love who is played by Javier Bardem, the same actor who does an incredible performance as the serial killer in No Country For Old Men, which I had just watched recently, and I yelled at Julia Roberts “DO NOT RIDE IN A BOAT WITH THAT MAN”.
Hahaha!
I recently rewatched the series, and the episode with Beverly and the ghost in fake-Scotland was even more cringeworthy than I remembered.
To be fair, writing for a counselor bridge officer would’ve been hard mode regardless of gender. It’s not as if they had that much trouble with Yar, Crusher or Pulaski.
The year Crusher was gone was because Gates McFadden got fired from the show for advocating for her character to have more agency. Pulaski was intentionally written to be hated.
Also, Yar’s whole back story was that she grew up on a planet of roving rape gangs.
Haha, I Cunningham’s Law’d myself.
Was going to point out that this is more evidence supporting the statement of the writers not having any ideas of feminine conflicts beyond sexual assault. The last time I watched TNG, I’m pretty sure I said “what?..” out loud when she remarked on the rape gangs.
Yar? Denise Crosby left the show because they did shit with her character. And she was right. The most interesting thing they did with Yar was kill her, and Crosby got the best scenes as her alternate self, her daughter, and, again, as another past, alternate self.
Pulaski was written as Bones in menopause, which just such a huge waste of an excellent actor in Muldar. Such rough edges. But that was a whole awkward situation anyway with Gates McFadden gone and the rest of the cast being cold. It just wasn’t going to work no matter what.
Crusher had the same issues as Tori. Doctor Mommy. The most brilliant Doctor in Starfleet with the demeanor of a simpering house frau somehow. PIC S03 finally painter her as a badass, tho. All Good Things… did a decent job, too, tho.