• @givesomefucks
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    -328 months ago

    I can’t support any politician that takes AIPAC money/trips

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/11/democratic-house-leader-hakeem-jeffries-aipac-sponsored-israel-trip

    For Democrats to be going on this trip funded and led around by an organisation that is fundamentally opposed to the policies of their president and their party – and which attacks the colleagues of the people on the trip very, very directly – is absurd. You’re seeing more and more Democrats saying, ‘You shouldn’t be doing that,’” he said.

    Justice Democrats, which helped fund election campaigns for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other members of the “Squad” critical of Israeli policies, asked why the party was working with Aipac when it endorsed the re-election campaigns of more than 100 Republican members of Congress who tried to block Joe Biden’s presidential victory.

    “It is a failure of Democratic leadership to continue working in any capacity with Aipac,” said Justice Democrats spokesperson Usamah Andrabi.

    “Every Democratic member who went on this trip is endorsing Aipac’s rightwing primary challenges to their colleagues, the over 100 Republicans who voted to overturn the election, and the Israeli government’s brutal apartheid regime.”

    It’s bad when Republicans do it, it’s still bad when Dems do it.

    It’s not a high bar for standards.

    • @AuroraZzz
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      Lol. This is such a bad reason to not vote for Democrats. Trump creates a whole stock (djt) to launder money from foreign investors into his campaign, and you are worried about something as trivial as this? Either you are bad at arguments or a bad actor on the side of getting a traitor reelected

      • @givesomefucks
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        -358 months ago

        Man, never thought so many people would be ok with foreign governments buying us politicians

        All it takes is buying both parties and people love it

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        Here’s something more recent then:

        https://www.democracynow.org/2024/3/14/headlines/jewish_voice_for_peace_occupies_hakeem_jeffriess_office_as_20_orgs_launch_reject_aipac_coalition

        Protests continue on Capitol Hill, as well. On Tuesday, members of Jewish Voice for Peace occupied the office of Congressmember Hakeem Jeffries, calling on the Democratic leader to reject funding from AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Jeffries is one of AIPAC’s largest recipients. The action came as over 20 groups launched the Reject AIPAC coalition, established to counter the powerful lobby group’s influence in D.C. and to call on elected officials to reject endorsements and contributions from AIPAC

        Also,

        perfect is the enemy of good

        A foreign country buying the politicians in leadership positions of both parties should at least be taken as seriously as a foreign country buying just one of the parties.

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          That doesn’t really talk about his recent position, just public pressure on him and past donations? Schumer, for example, has made quite a few enemies at AIPAC in the past few weeks. Maybe Jeffries hasn’t been as vocal, but he also hasn’t been making huge efforts to support them.

          And you’re willing to let the GOP rise to power because the dems are imperfect? Really?

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            And you’re willing to let the GOP rise to power because the dems are imperfect? Really?

            Yeah. They’re fine with genocide here because America Bad and Deserves It.

          • @givesomefucks
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            -108 months ago

            Maybe Jeffries hasn’t been as vocal, but he also hasn’t been making huge efforts to support them.

            He’s the Dem House leader and we just passed a budget where Israel gets another 3 billion and we can’t donate to UNRWA till 2025…

            And you’re saying he isn’t doing anything for Israel?

            • @jeffwOP
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              So you’re willing to let the GOP take over just because he’s imperfect? And then we lose all our rights and give even more to Israel, but you’d be happy because the dems lost?

              And I hate to break it to you, but you will NEVER in your life see a congressional budget that you 100% agree with.

              • @givesomefucks
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                -158 months ago

                Hey, you’re cool with foreign governments owning our politicians in the highest parts of our government.

                I’m not.

                Everyone has their own personal line that they can’t rationalize past. Ive hit mine.

                I hope shit gets better before you cross yours. It sucks.

                • @jeffwOP
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                  188 months ago

                  Privilege sure is sweet, huh?

                  • @givesomefucks
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                    -138 months ago

                    Says the person who’s life isn’t effected by a foreign government owning our highest elected politicians…

                    I guarantee my life is more effected by who is president than most people on Lemmy.

                    And not just for the next four years. If shit gets bad before it gets better, whether that’s good or bad is just about timescale. And only thinking one election ahead hasn’t been working out.

                    There’s no reason to think it’ll suddenly start happening.

    • @Malek061
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      No one can get anything done with purity tests.

      • @givesomefucks
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        -188 months ago

        Taking bribes from a foreign government is disqualifying to me.

        The only reason that AIPAC doesn’t have to register as a foreign agent, is the people who decide that take AIPAC money.

        Like, is your problem with trump taking Russian money that Biden didn’t get any?

        A foreign country has bought both political parties and there are real world consequences happening right now.

        But it’s a “purity test” to talk about it?

        • @Malek061
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          128 months ago

          My problem is no one is clean and I order to get anything done, you have to get dirty.

          • @givesomefucks
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            -148 months ago

            My problem is no one is clean

            Because AIPAC donates heavily in primaries of both parties to ensure that when the general happens they can’t lose.

            But some progressives manage to beat them.

            It’s not impossible, but it’ll never be enough if people keep ignoring reality.

            If a politician takes AIPAC money, voters should know what that means. That they’re saying they’re ok with foreign governments buying US politicians as long as it’s for their “team”.

            I can’t do that anymore, it’s not working out for us.

            • @[email protected]
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              So vote in the primaries. But when it comes to the general the “both sides” isn’t accurate and acting like it is is either willful ignorance, privilege, or trolling.

              • @givesomefucks
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                -18 months ago

                So vote in the primaries

                I will in like two months…

                But I won’t vote for another candidate that takes money from a foreign government in another election.

            • @[email protected]
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              48 months ago

              The fact that you’re way, way too focused on AIPAC instead of using it as a jumping-off point to hilight the insanity of the concept of PACs is fairly telling, to be honest.

              • @givesomefucks
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                -18 months ago

                Name another PAC that exists a semi official arm of another countries government.

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                    Those are “foreign connected” and includes companies like Annehiser Bush…

                    Maybe you just don’t know about AIPAC if you think that’s the same thing

                    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-department-of-justice-asked-to-regulate-aipac-as-a-foreign-agent-of-the-israeli-government-88190712.html

                    It literally only exists because what it replaced had to register as a foreign agent…

                    Ran by many of the same people…

                    And has literally committed espionage against our country…

                    Espionage related FBI investigations in 1984 and 2005 reveal AIPAC’s ongoing stealth foreign agency activities. Declassified FBI files released on the Internet last week reveal that in 1984 AIPAC and the Israeli Ministry of Economics were investigated for jointly obtaining and circulating classified US economic data to obtain favorable trade benefits for Israel. http://www.irmep.org/ila/economy In 2005 Pentagon Colonel Lawrence Franklin pled guilty and two AIPAC employees were indicted for obtaining and circulating classified US national defense information to Israeli government officials allegedly in the interest of fomenting US action against Iran.

                    It’s not the fucking same as a beer company that’s based in another country, it’s an unofficial arm of the Israeli government

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      Excellent. Keep saying that and you will have President Trump, Senate Majority Leader Tubertool, and house Speaker Margie Traitor Green. Then you will be happy that it’s not Jeffries and his AIPAC money.